In article ,
 "lukne"  wrote:

> Mark Sobolewski wrote:
> > In article ,
> >  dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Andre Lieven) wrote:
> >
> > >  (mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.com) writes:
> > > > Hyerdahl3 wrote:
> >
> > > > I've asked you before to describe precisely how I am treating
> > > > women in my life badly.
> > >
> > > Come on, Mark. A feminist providing specifics ? When they
> > > value feeulings more ?
> > >
> > > 
> >
> > There's a reason why I ask that question repeatedly.
> >
> > Parg's reasoning is that because I hold sexist opinions
> > and values, especially in politics, that I'm being
> > less than considerate of the women in my life.
> >
> > But as she loves to point out, as a single person I'm not
> > in a position to alter politics.  So even if I hold
> > the opinion that the women's vote should be repealed,
> > for example, this has no immediate impact upon my wife's
> > legal rights whatsoever.
> >
> > On the contrary: By embracing and accepting sexism,
> > I'm more comfortable to meet women's sexist desires and
> > needs.  I hold open their doors and help them put on their coats
> > and feel comfortable doing so.
>
> That's right Mark.  A major concern in my life is whether or not a man
> holds the door open for me or helps me with my coat.  I really don't
> care either way.

Well, those aren't the ONLY things. :-)  There's also being
a provider which you helpfully illuminate below:

> > Her opinion is that men and yes, even women, should
> > be sacrificial lambs for her supposed "equality"
> > agenda.  That when men feel uncomfortable meeting
> > a woman's sexist demands, that he should move into a log
> > cabin until she gets around to living up to
> > equality.
> You mean until we can open our own doors and put on our own coats? I
> think the time is now.
> >
> > In other words, it's not MY fault that women are sexist.
> > Women themselves have determined through their actions
> > what they deserve.  Don't blame the messenger.
> Men like you Mark look at women to day and see us gaining while some
> guys like you are losing.

And there you go.

"Losing" what, exactly?  For all your talk of equality, you
still judge men based upon them being "winners" or not.

Even if the guy was Mr. Liberated and believed all this
equality nonsense, you would still have nothing to
do with him if he was a "loser" and couldn't provide
a decent income or status.

If I'm expected to still be a 1950's Mr. Cleaver "winner",
why shouldn't I enjoy some of the spoils?

Now go get me a beer, honey.

> Instead of asking why you're losing ground,

A better question would be: What are women doing with
the ground they are "winning"?  How many doors are you
willing to hold open for men who need it?

That's what an intimate relationship is about: Doing
things for each other.  At best, all you can hope
for is a roommie to split expenses with.

> you propel your rage at so-called feminists. It's easier to hate than
> to be introspective. I'm not sure you'll understand that.

Pot, meet kettle.

Maybe feminists wouldn't be proposing all these handout
socialist programs to rescue women out of jeopardy
if they were a little more sensible with the handouts
they already have.  It's easier to hate than
to be introspective.  I'm not sure you'll understand that.

regards,
Mark Sobolewski


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