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to: Robert Comer
from: Glenn Meadows
date: 2006-12-21 13:57:00
subject: Re: ZFS on OS-X?

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From: "Glenn Meadows" 

Well, I think the Mini can have up to 2gig installed (it's not easy to upgrade
yourself, but can be done).

As to HD, it uses Laptop HD's, so 200 is beyond it's range.  BUT no reason you
can't put an external USB or Firewire drive(s) on it.  I believe it's got 4
USB2 ports, and a Firewire as well.

--

Glenn M.
"Robert Comer"  wrote in message
news:458ae5b4$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> How cheap is cheap? You can get a Mini for six or seven hundred.
>
> Six or Seven hundred is imperative, but it's got to have at least 2G of
> RAM (expandable), and a 200G of Disk, and a fast dual core processor.
>
>>But
>> you'll need a screen, keyboard and mouse to go with it.
>
> Those don't count, already have them.
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
> "RobertB"  wrote in message
> news:missinglink-269A31.11351521122006{at}news.barkto.com...
>> In article ,
>> "Robert Comer"  wrote:
>>
>>> > Duhh, that's a plus, my friend.
>>>
>>> Not to my wallet it's not!  I foresee myself buying a Mac eventually,
>>> maybe
>>> soon, but the Intel Mac's have to get a bit cheaper for a decent
>>> config...
>>
>> How cheap is cheap? You can get a Mini for six or seven hundred. But
>> you'll need a screen, keyboard and mouse to go with it. I recently
>> bought a new 20" core2duo iMac. Not dirt cheap, but it's
compact, quiet,
>> has a great screen, and is fast as hell. I think they're selling for
>> around $1500-1600 now.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Comer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "RobertB"  wrote in message
>>> news:missinglink-04E398.10490920122006{at}news.barkto.com...
>>> > In article ,
>>> > "Robert Comer"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> > So what's not to like? 
>>> >>
>>> >> You need Apple Hardware!
>>> >
>>> > Duhh, that's a plus, my friend.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Bob Comer
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "RobertB" 
wrote in message
>>> >> news:missinglink-24F3A8.13221319122006{at}news.barkto.com...
>>> >> > In article
,
>>> >> > mike  wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:04:02 -0500, RobertB
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >In article
,
>>> >> >> > mike  wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 16:25:04 -0500, RobertB
>>> >> >> >> 
>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >In article
,
>>> >> >> >> > mike  wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >>
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmac4ever.c
om%
>>> >> >> >> >> 2Fn
>>> >> >> >> >> ews
>>> >> >> >> >> %2F
>>> >> >> >> >> 274
>>> >> >> >> >>
85%2Fzettabyte_sur_leopard%2F&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&o
e=U
>>> >> >> >> >> TF-
>>> >> >> >> >> 8&p
>>> >> >> >> >> rev
>>> >> >> >> >> =%2
>>> >> >> >> >> Flanguage_tools
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> ===
>>> >> >> >> >> Parmis the few innovations
of Leopard, one read these last
>>> >> >> >> >> months,
>>> >> >> >> >> several rumours on the
integration of a new filing system,
>>> >> >> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> >> ZFS,
>>> >> >> >> >> which presents a
revolution in the field of the storage of
>>> >> >> >> >> data.
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> This rumour seems to be
confirmed, since one sees finally
>>> >> >> >> >> apparaitre in
>>> >> >> >> >> the utility of discs of
Leopard, an option to create images
>>> >> >> >> >> and
>>> >> >> >> >> partitions in this format.
On the other hand, it is not
>>> >> >> >> >> known
>>> >> >> >> >> yet
>>> >> >> >> >> if it
>>> >> >> >> >> will be right another
supported system, or if it has the
>>> >> >> >> >> role to
>>> >> >> >> >> replace
>>> >> >> >> >> the HFS+ for the disc system.
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> ZFS amongst other things
integrates functionalities of
>>> >> >> >> >> advanced
>>> >> >> >> >> safeguards which could be
used very well by Apple for Time
>>> >> >> >> >> Machine
>>> >> >> >> >> for
>>> >> >> >> >> example. This known as, it
is a sympathetic innovation, but
>>> >> >> >> >> that
>>> >> >> >> >> still
>>> >> >> >> >> does not say to us what
Steve wanted to hold secret signal.
>>> >> >> >> >> ===
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >>  /m
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >What's the source, so I can
read it in the original?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> At the top of the google translated
page is the link to the
>>> >> >> >> original.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>  /m
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >OK. I found it. What's Zettabyte File
System anyway?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Some more info:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
http://loop.worldofapple.com/archives/2006/12/17/zfs-file-system-make
s-i
>>> >> >> t-t
>>> >> >> o-m
>>> >> >> ac-os-x-leopard/
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> ===
>>> >> >> Back in May of this year it was rumoured
that Apple's File System
>>> >> >> Development Team had contacted Sun
Microsystems to help in a
>>> >> >> translation
>>> >> >> of the Zettabyte File System to Mac OS X.
>>> >> >> Zettabyte File System makes appearance in
Mac OS X 10.5, Disk
>>> >> >> Utility
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> With the most recent Build of Mac OS X 10.5
Leopard, ZFS has
>>> >> >> appeared
>>> >> >> to
>>> >> >> have finally made an appearance, as per the rumours.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Sun Microsystems describes ZFS as the
"last word in File Systems,"
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> file system is well known for being
incredibly resilient to data
>>> >> >> failure, having immense capacity and being
the first 128-bit file
>>> >> >> system.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Lets look at ZFS's ability to keep data
safe, everything on ZFS is
>>> >> >> "copy-on-write" meaning that the
file system never overwrites live
>>> >> >> data
>>> >> >> and it leaves no windows of vulnerability.
Also on ZFS, everything
>>> >> >> is
>>> >> >> transactional meaning that a file copy will
either completely fail
>>> >> >> or
>>> >> >> be
>>> >> >> a complete success not half and half leaving
you with a mess to
>>> >> >> clean
>>> >> >> up.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Finally the most important feature of data
integrity os check
>>> >> >> summing
>>> >> >> and everything on ZFS is checksummed meaning
zero data corruption.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The Zettabyte File system is also incredibly
scalable adding value
>>> >> >> to
>>> >> >> users of both server and home environments.
ZFS has a data storage
>>> >> >> capacity of 256 quadrillion zettabytes and a
maximum file size of
>>> >> >> 16
>>> >> >> exabytes (that's 17179869184 terabytes).
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Overall ZFS offers the following key advantages:-
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Pooled storage - No requirement for a volume
manager when extra
>>> >> >> volumes
>>> >> >> added, the volume is simply added to a pool
creating a vdev
>>> >> >> (virtual
>>> >> >> device), a collection of vdevs makes up a
zpool, which in essence
>>> >> >> is
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> storage available to the file system.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Snapshots - Read-only point in time of the file system
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Clones - write-able copy of a snapshot
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> RAID-Z - Makes use of copy-on-write; rather
than overwriting old
>>> >> >> data
>>> >> >> with new data, it writes new data to a new
location and then
>>> >> >> overwrites
>>> >> >> the pointer to the old data
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Detects and then corrects data corruption
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Incredibly fast due to intelligent
pre-fetching, and dynamic
>>> >> >> striping....
>>> >> >> ===
>>> >> >
>>> >> > So what's not to like? 
>
>

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