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In article , hyerdahl3{at}aol.com
(Hyerdahl3) wrote:


>>Subject: Re: Humanists and Atheists Are ORGANIZING fellas!
>>From: dg411{at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA  (Andre Lieven)
>>Date: 1/28/2005 6:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>Message-id: 
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>
> One common thread I've noticed  amongst feminists is that they are perpetually
> jealous of and forever coveting others' goods.
>
> Any "good" procured by the unpaid work of others isn't so
much about being
> covetous, but more about payback.   Perhaps that's why you're confused.
>
>  I believe that is where her peevish remarks
> about America were coming from.
>
> Well, she's got a good point;  it's time America, in it's alleged pursuit of
> freedom of and from govt. involvement in religion, should put it's political
> 'money' where it's mouth is.
>
> Sure. While I do agree with Deb T's comments about excessive mammon
>  worship in the US, Canada is not free of such, either.
>
> Canada is not well known as a nation steeped in religious, or superticious
> paranoia.  :-)
>
> I find it scarily amusing that one of the home & garden channels has a show
> about someone coming to your house, to get rid of much of your goods, to
> simplify life, and diminish stuff. That we have so much stuff, that we need
> help to be less tied down by it, well,> thats overconsumption.
>
> Indeed.
>
> Want to know what is REALLY scary? I have a former customer that I bumped
>  into last week. They've got a big whopping addititon on their house - a new
> kitchen complete with granite countertops, stainless fridge/freezer,> stove -
> all the accoutrements - also an office upstairs and a 4-Wheel> Drive SUV to
> tote the kids around and so much debt they also couldn't> pay off a modest
> $7,000 hospital bill (when I had my emergency surgery,
>>> I paid it off in cash at once).
>>
> Well, with all their "stuff" they may also have health insurance.  :-)

Catastrophic coverage, and it doesn't activate in unil you reach 12 grand in
bills. Still, one would think to at LEAST have that amount in a bank to
cover those costs if they fall below where the insurance kicks in, no?

Apparently not.

>  It
> strikes me as being very sad that people have so much when so many have so
> little.  I used to order lobster for my birthday every year until I figured
out
> that for the cost of my dinner, I could take 45 hamburgers over to the
homeless
> shelter.  So, now, I celebrate my birthday with much more happiness.  I know,
> it's just a small thing.  The other thing I do every birthday is jump into the
> pacific ocean.  (brrrrrrrrr!)

Lobsters are horrible to eat anyhow. Would you eat a sewage filter?
>
>>Well, what does anyone expect, when they're told and told that
they>can have
> it all, and now ? Not much room left for deferred goodies.
>>
> Indeed.  My own parents didn't buy their first home until I was school age.
We
> lived in a cramped apart, and my BR was created by stretching a curtain
accross
> a section of the living room.  Then, we moved to my grandmother's boarding
> house and took over an apt. there.  Finally, they had saved enough money to
> place a good sized down on a modest house, where we lived for my entire
> childhood.

Those were different times. I grew up in the back of a VW bus, and it was
lacking in luxury sure, but it also gave a better understanding of what is
important and what is not. Today's young people don't have a clue, and they
are going to be so incredibly leveraged because of it. In the long run, it
doesn't bode well for all of us, including those of us who ARE forgoing
material comforts and 'fashionable' consumption.
>
>>> Yeah, that's getting ahead, isn't it?
>>
>>Yep. 
>>
>>> Just wait, Andre. I've been reading alot of the Wall Street Journal and
> Barrons and Bloomberg and reading the policy news items. It's gonna
> beinteresting to see how the Republican plan to get this country out of debt
> unfolds. It's briliant - I'm reading the papers and what the government>
plans,
> is to dig itself out by pushing 'upward mobility' on as many middle class
> Americans as possible so they end up in the bracket that is>> where the
> Alternative Income Tax will kick in.
>>
> :-)  :-)  Well, we may see a resurge of the old hippy days where you see folks
> simply dropping out.  Life is too short to spend most of your time on
"upward
> mobility".

Tell that to the teenagers being sold the matrialistic life by teevee and
their parents who insist they indebt themselves right out of High School by
going to college. I'm not at all impressed with the calibre of grads in the
last 15 years. They're dullards and dolts by and large and SO screwed they
don't know it - but they *look* good! HAR!!!
>
>>Thats the stuff with the current administration down in the lower 48
>>( Or, Upper Mexico, if you will ) that amazes me about the masses.
>>But, hey, they bought Feminism, so buying that they can run hundreds
>>of billions annual deficits in budgets, and in current accounts, only
>>suggests that they've gone to expecting the government to handle their
>>money, as well as they do...
>
> The masses did indeed "buy" feminism and they are still
buying it, even in
> third world countries now.  Of course, women benefitted from feminism, whether
> or not those women tune in or drop out.  :-)  The good news is that they need
> not marry assholes like you.

Andre's not an asshole.
>
>>
>>> Heee-heee-hee! Yaaah, right. Put ME into a tax bracket where I
pay an even
>>> LARGER percentage of my income to the government? Nice try assholes. The
>>> Sermon on the Mount, with it's message of poverty makes alot
of subversive
> sense if you wish to 'Give Unto Caesar All That Is His.."
>
> So, basically, are you suggesting that Canada doesn't sound all that bad, now?
> :-)

I never did imply that.
>
>>
>>Indeed.
>>
>>> The Sons of Belial are running this country, Andre.
>>
>>And, their modern spawn, Haliburton...
>
> Again, Canada is looking pretty good now?  :-)

Been looking wonderful since our 10th wedding annivarsary when we went
there. Got an eye on some property in the maritimes.
>>
> Jesus was right about immoral governments like Rome - and we live in it's
>>> modern incarnation.
>
> Yes, and Nero is Bush.  fiddling....fiddling
>
>>
>>Pretty much...
>>
>>> Downward mobility anyone?
>
> Sure.  In fact, Canada looks pretty good right now.  I wonder if they have a
> hot springs somewhere up there.  :-)
>
>>
>>Amazing that so many feel they can live on someone else's money...>foreign
> bondholders.
>
> This may be America's final downfall, eh?
> fiddling ....fiddling...
>>
>>Thats not gonna last... Then... *boom*!
>>
> So, Andre...are you suggesting that if America is in a pinch, they have the
> right to blow other countries up?  Hmmmm  No wonder the United States of
Europe
> are gaining in popularity.  Canada anyone?

Canada? Perhaps. IF they let the dissatisfied hordes in, it's NOT the 51st
state. A better bet is Missouri, Kansas, Montana - all those RED states
across the upper midwest that have declining populations, low taxes and
small towns just waiting to be moved into and brought back to life. The
great thing is, affordable houses are easy to find if you are willing to
look and smart enough to make your own living. Let the idiot hordes of
consumer/trendy Americans work for Big Business and slowly go broke paying
for million dollar apartments in places like New York City, San Francisco
and Boston.

Have fun! Don't forget the astroglide!!


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