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to: Frank Haber
from: Gary Britt
date: 2007-01-03 04:14:56
subject: Re: Slow mouse in XP

From: Gary Britt 

Frank,

God save me from the "everybody knows what I am supposed to want" crowd.

Some vendors mice drivers get around the built-in XP pokey mouse
acceleration curves by adding a second layer filter driver on top of the XP
mouse drivers, and thereby provide decent and adjustable mouse
acceleration.

However, not all vendors do this.  In particular synaptics, I would guess
the most popular laptop touchpad vendor, does not provide additional
selectable acceleration curves in its drives, and you are stuck with the
pokey XP built-in acceleration curves.  Worse, if you use an external mouse
with your laptop that works off of the PS/2 port drivers that are governed
by the synaptics drivers then more often that not you get stuck with pokey
built-in XP acceleration curves for your external mouse as well.

Finally, when using my synaptics touchpad on my laptop the acceleration was
never acceptably fast enough and except for this patch there is no way to
improve it.

>>Everyone knows that everyone wants
>> high acceleration

I don't remember saying anything to the contrary.  What I and apparently
some here, probably especially people who like me use a laptop full-time as
their main computer, want was selectable acceleration curves like we had in
the past before they got hard coded into XP under a new driver paradigm.
Links to the appropriate MS articles on this subject are at codecpage.com.
I've read them.  I don't think you have.

Also, not everyone wants the subpixilation movement built-in to the XP
paradigm.  That's where moving the mouse slowly has to be moved physically
farther than the resulting physical mouse movement on the screen.  This
less than 1 to 1 acceleration for slow movements that's built-in to the XP
pokey mouse driver paradigm might be great for graphic artists on a 24 inch
wide screen monitor at super high dpi resolutions, but its a piece of crap
on my laptop or my laptop plugged into a 17 inch lcd running at 1280 by
1024.

The only people out of their frickin mind on this were the designers of
this new XP pokey mouse paradigm at MS that designed out of the users
available choices selectable mouse acceleration curves like have existed
for the past 10 years on all other MS operating systems.

The mouse acceleration curves in my modified files work great for me at
both slow and high speeds because they provide a little bit more speed at
the low end of mouse movement and a lot more speed in the middle and high
end of physical mouse acceleration.

You can find out for yourself by trying them.  However, if you have a new
$50 to $80 mouse with greater than 400 dpi resolution (the new XP pokey
mouse paradigm has 400 dpi hard coded into its formulas) backed up by a
hardware vendor's second tier driver filters that provide additional
acceleration over the built-in slow XP pokey mouse, then you probably
already have the choice of customizable acceleration curves.

For those of us who don't have that choice and wanted something a bit
faster than the built-in XP pokey acceleration curves, what I've provided
is a solution.  I don't give a rat's ass if I'm the only one who likes what
I've provided.  I developed it for me, and shared it for anyone who might
be interested.  If you don't need it.  Don't use it.  Its simple.  Being
out of one's mind is being AGAINST other people having the choices they
want to make, just because you don't understand their desire to make that
choice. At least that's my opinion.  I could be wrong.

I've got a year old laptop and several matching 3 year old logitech
cordless optical mice.  With these modifications I have what I need in a
speedier and more accelerated mouse, and I don't need to buy USB KVM
switches so the mice can be driven by non-ps/2 synaptics drivers, I don't
need to buy two new $80 each high dpi mice, etc.  Someday when I get that
24 inch widescreen monitor, I'll get that new high dpi mouse and I may not
need these patches.
  However, even at that time I will likely need these mouse speed up patches
to make the synaptics touchpad on my laptop speedy enough.

Gary

Gary


Frank Haber wrote:
> For completeness:
>
> 1. All these base-velocity, acceleration, and accel-curve settings may
> be, and probably will be overwritten or overridden by MS Intellimouse,
> late Logi, and other complex vendor drivers.
>
> 2. Gary is out of his frickin' mind.  Everyone knows that everyone wants
> high acceleration (slow mouse for fine movements, high velocity on broad
> strokes, when you're in a Wii-ish mood.
>
> 3. If you use an optical mouse (and you're a masochist if you're not),
> take a look at the texture of your mousing surface.  I've seen the
> "weave" of a textured or faux-wood tabletop totally fake out a mouse,
> and give uneven H and V rates, or erratic operation, or both.
>
> 4. High-rate, modern rodents are a very good use of all the CPU we now
> have under your fingers.  No need to put up with the coarse-rez,
> first-generation optical you've always used, which may have compromises
> built in (to baby that P166 you put in the dumpster five years ago).

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