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It sure looks like her public position matches the letter.  The public
position
openly discusses her first phase.  Why is it that you can't accept that their
public position represents their public position and not the whole agenda? 
The
anti abortion folks went after late term abortion because they knew support
for
those was weakest. The stated views of the organizations are often milder 
han
their personal views (as demonstrated in interviews) because they know that
they
have to work up to their ultimate goal.
I happen to agree with the magazine ban, the AW ban and the ban on private
handgun
sales at gunshows.  But, there is no way I'd give HCI more political power by
publicly supporting them on these issues.
I've talked to them and their associated organizations and know what their
goals
are.  A former member of the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence (CPHV) ,
associated with HCI, now works for a county commissioner here.  They recently
tried to push a bill that would outlaw firearms (transport past , storage in 

locked possession) within 500 feet of a "gathering place of children".  This
included school bus stops, pizza parlors, in home day care centers, green
ways,
parks and playgrounds. The bill would have made it impossible to own a 
irearm
(or
airgun in this county) in any neighborhood with children in them.  All major
neighborhood corners in this county are school bus stops.
In the interest of giving respite to those no longer interest, I promise that
this
will be my last posting on this.  (no matter how "head in the sand" the
response)

Fletcheror wrote:
> In a message dated 98-04-09 19:08:16 EDT, you write:
>
> << And until you know it to be bogus, you shouldn't refer to it as such.  
>>
>
> Why not? The only person at risk here is me. If the letter is actually from
> the HCI then I will look pretty foolish won't I.
>
> Just a little more evidence that the "bogus" letter might not be what it
> appears to be on the surface. Here's the official published Sara Brady
> position on gun shows (see below). Funny thing, her public position doesn't
> even come close to matching what the "bogus" letter says, even though they
are
> about the same topic!
>
> So, either the HCI and Sara Brady are the two-faced lying bastards you make
> them out to be or the letter is bogus.
>  dtf
>
> Public Notice:This is posting of Sara Brady's position on gun show laws and
> does not neccesarly reflect the position of dtf. It is being posted for
> educational and comparision reasons only.
>
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> CONSTITUTION COMMISSION VOTE TO CLOSE GUN-SHOW LOOPHOLE IN FLORIDA
>
> Yesterday’s vote by the Florida Constitutional Revision Commission to put a
> gun-show initiative on the November
> ballot is an important first step in closing a loophole that threatens the
> state’s public safety.
>
> Currently, state laws allows the unlicensed firearms sellers who attend
> Florida’s many gun shows to sell guns
> without requiring a waiting period or background check of the purchaser.
> Despite the national success of the
> Brady law, and of Florida’s popular state law requiring a three-day waiting
> period on handgun purchases, too
> many criminals have crawled through this loophole that allows them to buy
> handguns with no questions asked.
> Gun show dealers must be held to the same standards as legitimate gun
> storeowners. Even more infuriating is the
> fact that these gun-show arms bazaars are frequently held on county- or
> municipality-owned property that is
> maintained at taxpayer expense.
>
> Last week, a state-wide opinion survey that Handgun Control, Inc.
co-sponsored
> with the Miami Coalition
> demonstrated that more than three-quarters of Florida’s voters would vote
for
> an initiative requiring waiting
> periods and background checks for all handgun purchasers. We applaud the
> Commission for taking the first step
> towards giving Florida a chance to vote for this initiative, and for
> attempting to bring a common-sense measure to
> a state that continues to suffer the nation’s highest rate of gun violence.
>
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>
> For completeness here's the "bogus" letter reported to be from Sara Brady
>
>
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> -----------------------------------------------------------> Dear Handgun
> Control 'Member,
> ->
> -> I have marked this letter to you "confidential" because I am
> -> requesting that
> -> you avoid discussing the contents publicly for the next several
> -> weeks.
> -> This is because we are about to initiate action that, if successful,
> -> will
> -> weaken the stranglehold that the gun industry, the NRA, and other gun
> -> fanatics have over local and national gun laws.
> ->
> -> And I am urgently requesting you to make an extraordinary gift to
> -> help strengthen our cause.
> ->
> -> please let me quickly explain our plans -- and then you will
> -> understand why
> -> both your generosity and secrecy are required.
> ->
> -> In brief, we believe there is a strong parallel between the gun
> -> industry and
> -> the tobacco companies!  As you know, citizens at the local and state
> -> level
> -> rose up in anger and demanded clean .. air in restaurants and offices
> -> when
> -> Congress failed to take action-
> ->
> -> Here at Handgun Control Inc., it is our regrettable conclusion that
> -> this current Congress is not going to take the initiative on gun
> -> safety for America.  Legislation is bogged down.  The NRA and other
> -> gun industry lobbying groups have multi-million dollar war chests set
> -> aside for this election year.
> -> Consequently, it will be extremely difficult to pass any significant
> -> legislation this year-
> ->
> -> And so, even though we will not let up on our efforts in congress,
> -> our focus
> -> is going to make a dramatic shift.
> ->
> -> And we want to keep this shift as quiet as possible while we develop
> -> our plan-
> ->
> -> In a few weeks, I will be announcing to the nation:
> ->
> -> The Citizens Campaign Against Community Gun Trafficking
> ->
> -> Handgun Control inc.  1SS5 Eye street, NW.  soom iloom Washington,
> -> D.C
> -> Even the title of this campaign will cause shockwaves
> -> to run through the gun industry and the NRA at local and national
> -> levels.
> ->
> -> we will be taking a page from the anti-smoking victories, where local
> -> ordinances banned smoking in public facilities and eventually forced
> -> state
> -> and national legislation to protest Americans' right to a smoke-free
> -> environment.
> ->
> -> And we'll remember the victories in the anti-drunk-driving movement,
> -> as well.
> -> M.A.D.D. was formed by a small group of mothers whose children had
> -> been killed
> -> by drunk drivers -- they gathered supporters and strength at the
> -> grassroots
> -> level around the country, and before long these mothers started to be
> -> taken
> -> seriously everywhere, even on capitol Hill.  Now, most states have
> -> tougher
> -> penalties for drunk drivers and the liquor industry is providing
> -> anti.-drunk-
> -> driving messages in their advertising.
> ->
> -> In much the same way, we're going to attack the gun industry and the
> -> gun pushers at the most basic point --where money is exchanged for
> -> guns.
> ->                The Attack point:    Local Gun Shows!
> ->
> -> Local gun shows make it extremely easy to purchase a gun for private
> -> or criminal use.  And that's because most of the guns at the shows
> -> are sold by
> -> private individuals, not
> -> by dealers; --and, therefore, in most states they are not covered by
> -> laws
> -> requiring background checks or paperwork!
> ->
> -> So you can walk into a gun show, strike up a conversation with the
> -> guy hawking the M-l carbine, admire its light kick, repetitive fire,
> -> and ability to
> -> accept large magazine clips.
> ->
> -> Then you talk to that strange man parading around in his military
> -> fatigues,
> -> and later you meet him on the street, give him the necessary cash and
> -> the
> -> firearm is yours.
> ->
> -> All legal in most states, as long as that fellow is not a licensed
> -> gun dealer!
> ->
> -> Loophole:      The Second-Hand Market
> ->
> -> Right now, federal laws focus primarily on purchases of handguns from
> -> licensed dealers.  And the Brady Handgun violence and prevention Act
> -> has stopped many
> -> criminals from buying handguns from licensed dealers-
> ->
> -> But most states have no laws preventing one individual from selling a
> -> weapon
> -> to another, as long as the seller is not a licensed gun dealer.
> ->
> -> "The individual purchasing the gun does not have to show
> -> identification, does
> -> not have to submit to background checks.  And the person selling the
> -> gun does
> -> not need to keep a written record of the transaction or the buyer's
> -> address
> -> and social Security number.  Also, quite obviously, there is no
> -> waiting period.  All in all, this is the most outrageous loophole in
> -> our federal gun
> -> laws.
> ->
> -> And gun shows are where criminals do their shopping --where the
> -> second-hand
> -> gun market really thrives.
> ->
> -> And so, this is why one of our first goals in The Citizens Campaign
> -> Against
> -> Community Gun Trafficking is going to be to close down the gun shows!
> ->
> -> These gun shows are most often held on public property:
> -> civic centers, school gymnasiums, fairgrounds, city and county
> -> convention
> -> centers.
> ->
> -> And these giant weapons bazaars have developed considerable
> -> notoriety, because of such high-profile cases as Oklahoma City bomber
> -> Timothy Mcveigh, who was
> -> reported to have bought or sold weapons at guns shows. -
> ->
> -> A recent issue of "Shotgun News" -- the "bible" of the gun pushers --
> -> advertised over 500 gun shows for the last three months of 1997
> -> alone. And
> -> this does not include many of the smaller shows and swap meets.
> -> I believe that now you can see why our Citizens campaign Against
> -> Community
> -> Gun Trafficking is going to result in tremendous controversy.
> ->
> -> And I wish that we could keep it secret -- 100% secret until we are
> -> ready to launch the campaign.
> -> But, unlike the NRA and the right-wing, gun toting fanatics, we do
> -> not have a multi-million dollar war chest. we depend upon grassroots
> -> support -- from friends like you. And so I wanted to take the
> -> calculated risk and share this plan with you, and hope that you will
> -> step forward and send a significant
> -> gift to express your belief that citizens -- with or without Congress
> -> -- can get
> -> things done!
> ->
> -> In a few weeks, if you're interested, I will forward to you a
> -> 'Citizens Action Kit," detailing exactly what can be done in your
> -> local community
> -> We intend to bring pressure upon mayors, city councils, school
> -> boards, churches, and all property owners to ban the use of any
> -> facility for gun shows.
> ->
> -> Already, we are working with Dade county, Florida, mounting an
> -> all-out assault on gun shows in that area.  I will be reporting to
> -> you about that innovative and successful initiative before long.
> -> But, as of now, we are not quite ready to go public with the results.
> ->
> -> But I must quickly bring this letter to a close, after I warn you
> -> that this.
> -> is going to be a long, hard-fought campaign.
> ->
> -> After all, it took many, many years before the tobacco industry felt
> -> the heat
> -> of local citizens demanding a smoke-tree environment,
> ->
> -> So we must be patient, firm, determined -- and uncompromising.
> -> Our enemies will incorrectly and misleadingly scream about freedom of
> -> speech
> -> and freedom of assembly.  But in turn, we will quietly remind them
> -> that America is involved in a gun war -- that is claiming 35,000
> -> lives each year
> -> including 9,OOO murdered by handguns.
> ->
> -> And we'll remind them that Americans must responsibly report
> -> transactions involving cars, liquor and other products -- why should
> -> gun sales be exempt? Every day 14 children, 19 years old and under,
> -> are killed by handguns, Much of this mayhem is made possible by the
> -> use of public property for gun shows.
> -> These statistics are tragic proof that a state of war exists.
> ->
> -> And, as you know, in my case, the statistic became personal
> -> heartbreak when my husband Jim was grievously wounded by a bullet
> -> intended for president Reagan.
> ->
> -> You and I must make America a safer place to live. Let's do it!
> ->
> -> P.S. I urge you to turn to the enclosed reply slip and write out a
> -> check in one of the amounts I've indicated.  Or perhaps you can give
> -> more. But please do the best you can.
> ->
> -> I look forward to receiving your support, and I will trust in your
> -> silence as we prepare our citizens Campaign Against Community Gun
> -> Trafficking.
> -> =============End Forwarded Message====================
>
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