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from: `bluesmama` onebluesmama
date: 2005-01-31 14:06:00
subject: Re: Sly DNA tests show 1 in 3 dads duped

Paul Nutteing wrote:
> Well 1 in 3 of the already suspicious.
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3171380a10,00.html
> Quote
> Sly DNA tests show 1 in 3 dads duped
> 30 January 2005
> By TIM HUME
>
> Hundreds of Kiwi men are paying out almost $900 for secret tests in
> Australia to determine whether they are really a dad.
>
> And the company which runs the tests says that in one in three cases,
the
> man finds he's been duped.
>
> The men have been secretly sending samples of saliva or hair to
Australian
> clinic DNA Solutions because they often find the test here is blocked
when
> the mother won't give her consent.
>
> The tests are used by men who suspect they are not the child's
biological
> father, to disprove fatherhood of children they are paying for - and
in some
> cases to get access to a child they believe is theirs.
>
> Fathers' rights groups say the secret "motherless tests" provide
vital
> protection for men and children in a system where women can abuse
their
> position as "gatekeepers" and commit paternity fraud by concealing a
child's
> true father.
>
> "These tests are just giving people the right to know," says Bruce
Tichbon,
> of Families Apart Require Equality (FARE). "Fathers have a right to
know,
> but even more importantly, children have a right to know."
>
> The 20-year-old technology is reliable and affordable but paternity
tests in
> New Zealand are difficult to get. The only laboratory which does the
tests
> here, DNA Diagnostics, insists on having the mother's consent.
Obtaining a
> test through the courts can be cumbersome and laborious.
>
> FARE advised fathers to get the test done overseas. Although it could
not be
> presented as evidence by the courts, it would provide valuable peace
of
> mind. "We tell people, don't get it done here. Bugger the system,
it's
> bankrupt," said Tichbon. "Women used to get backstreet abortions, now
men
> have to get backstreet paternity tests."
>
> DNA Solutions, the only company to directly market its services to
New
> Zealand men, says it tests about 15 kiwi men a month. In 30 per cent
of
> cases, the samples did not match - meaning the man was not the
child's
> father.
>
> "It's our belief that men have every right to know if they are the
father of
> a child," said DNA Solutions spokeswoman Kate Hurford.
>
> The 30 per cent mark is higher than New Zealand's estimates of
> "misattributed paternity" - men unwittingly raising children who are
not
> biologically their own. That estimate ranges from 3 per cent to 20
per cent.
>
> Stuart Birks, director of Massey University's Centre for Public
Policy
> Evaluation, said low-income men were more likely to be raising
someone
> else's child without knowing it.
>
> "Nationally, a rate of 10 per cent is highly likely, it could be as
high as
> 20 per cent," he said.
>
> He thinks tests should be carried out to confirm fatherhood at birth.
>
> "Surely it's better to expose it right at the start rather than
waiting for
> a few years when it will have an even more traumatic effect," he
said.
>
> Tichbon believed widespread paternity testing would reveal thousands
of New
> Zealand men paying child support for children not biologically their
own,
> raising the spectre of massive child support repayments.
>
> The Law Commission, which is reviewing the rules of legally proving
> parenthood, wants to clarify the law surrounding secret off-shore
testing,
> which it says has a potentially "explosive" influence.
>
> "We're of the view the other parent should always be informed of
testing,"
> said commissioner Frances Joychild. "We're considering not
necessarily
> stopping them, but at least requiring the mother to be informed."
>
> She said most paternity tests were conducted privately, outside the
legal
> framework. The courts recommended only 32 paternity tests be
conducted last
> year, but more than 180 were carried out without the mother's consent
by DNA
> Solutions.
>
> Given the volatility of the subject matter, it was important for
tests to be
> conducted in a regulated environment with counselling and support.
"It can
> be immensely psychologically damaging - it's not good that this is
happening
> away from any legal controls."
>
> DNA Solutions charges $515 to $895 for paternity tests, which compare
mouth
> swabs or hair samples taken from the father and child.
> End Quote
>
> Assuming genuine analysis company
> Grey areas such as this attracts dodgey get-rich quick merchents
> eg
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/dorset/3686864.stm
>
> What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles
> and what Special Branch don't want you to know.
> http://www.nutteing2.freeservers.com/dnapr.htm
> or nutteingd in a search engine
>
> Valid email nutteing{at}fastmail.....fm (remove 4 of the 5 dots)
> Ignore any other apparent em address used to post this message -
> it is defunct due to spam.

Let us know when the secret test comes out to check if the father is
dropping his DNA off somewhere other than home.



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