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onebluesmama{at}gmail.com says...
>
> Paul Nutteing wrote:
> > Well 1 in 3 of the already suspicious.
> > http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3171380a10,00.html
> > Quote
> > Sly DNA tests show 1 in 3 dads duped
> > 30 January 2005
> > By TIM HUME
> >
> > Hundreds of Kiwi men are paying out almost $900 for secret tests in
> > Australia to determine whether they are really a dad.
> >
> > And the company which runs the tests says that in one in three cases,
> the
> > man finds he's been duped.
> >
> > The men have been secretly sending samples of saliva or hair to
> Australian
> > clinic DNA Solutions because they often find the test here is blocked
> when
> > the mother won't give her consent.
> >
> > The tests are used by men who suspect they are not the child's
> biological
> > father, to disprove fatherhood of children they are paying for - and
> in some
> > cases to get access to a child they believe is theirs.
> >
> > Fathers' rights groups say the secret "motherless tests" provide
> vital
> > protection for men and children in a system where women can abuse
> their
> > position as "gatekeepers" and commit paternity fraud by
concealing a
> child's
> > true father.
> >
> > "These tests are just giving people the right to know,"
says Bruce
> Tichbon,
> > of Families Apart Require Equality (FARE). "Fathers have a right to
> know,
> > but even more importantly, children have a right to know."
> >
> > The 20-year-old technology is reliable and affordable but paternity
> tests in
> > New Zealand are difficult to get. The only laboratory which does the
> tests
> > here, DNA Diagnostics, insists on having the mother's consent.
> Obtaining a
> > test through the courts can be cumbersome and laborious.
> >
> > FARE advised fathers to get the test done overseas. Although it could
> not be
> > presented as evidence by the courts, it would provide valuable peace
> of
> > mind. "We tell people, don't get it done here. Bugger the system,
> it's
> > bankrupt," said Tichbon. "Women used to get backstreet
abortions, now
> men
> > have to get backstreet paternity tests."
> >
> > DNA Solutions, the only company to directly market its services to
> New
> > Zealand men, says it tests about 15 kiwi men a month. In 30 per cent
> of
> > cases, the samples did not match - meaning the man was not the
> child's
> > father.
> >
> > "It's our belief that men have every right to know if they are the
> father of
> > a child," said DNA Solutions spokeswoman Kate Hurford.
> >
> > The 30 per cent mark is higher than New Zealand's estimates of
> > "misattributed paternity" - men unwittingly raising
children who are
> not
> > biologically their own. That estimate ranges from 3 per cent to 20
> per cent.
> >
> > Stuart Birks, director of Massey University's Centre for Public
> Policy
> > Evaluation, said low-income men were more likely to be raising
> someone
> > else's child without knowing it.
> >
> > "Nationally, a rate of 10 per cent is highly likely, it could be as
> high as
> > 20 per cent," he said.
> >
> > He thinks tests should be carried out to confirm fatherhood at birth.
> >
> > "Surely it's better to expose it right at the start rather than
> waiting for
> > a few years when it will have an even more traumatic effect," he
> said.
> >
> > Tichbon believed widespread paternity testing would reveal thousands
> of New
> > Zealand men paying child support for children not biologically their
> own,
> > raising the spectre of massive child support repayments.
> >
> > The Law Commission, which is reviewing the rules of legally proving
> > parenthood, wants to clarify the law surrounding secret off-shore
> testing,
> > which it says has a potentially "explosive" influence.
> >
> > "We're of the view the other parent should always be informed of
> testing,"
> > said commissioner Frances Joychild. "We're considering not
> necessarily
> > stopping them, but at least requiring the mother to be informed."
> >
> > She said most paternity tests were conducted privately, outside the
> legal
> > framework. The courts recommended only 32 paternity tests be
> conducted last
> > year, but more than 180 were carried out without the mother's consent
> by DNA
> > Solutions.
> >
> > Given the volatility of the subject matter, it was important for
> tests to be
> > conducted in a regulated environment with counselling and support.
> "It can
> > be immensely psychologically damaging - it's not good that this is
> happening
> > away from any legal controls."
> >
> > DNA Solutions charges $515 to $895 for paternity tests, which compare
> mouth
> > swabs or hair samples taken from the father and child.
> > End Quote
> >
> > Assuming genuine analysis company
> > Grey areas such as this attracts dodgey get-rich quick merchents
> > eg
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/dorset/3686864.stm
> >
> > What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles
> > and what Special Branch don't want you to know.
> > http://www.nutteing2.freeservers.com/dnapr.htm
> > or nutteingd in a search engine
> >
> > Valid email nutteing{at}fastmail.....fm (remove 4 of the 5 dots)
> > Ignore any other apparent em address used to post this message -
> > it is defunct due to spam.
>
> Let us know when the secret test comes out to check if the father is
> dropping his DNA off somewhere other than home.

That's one of the problems with linking DNA tests to child support.
The purported (and legal) father may find out that he is not
the biological father based on the results of the DNA test.  However,
the DNA test does little to help the defrauded man find the
biological father (unless the wife was fooling around with a close
relative of the husband).  To do that, you need information from
the mother or some other source, so that you can get possible
candidates in for a DNA test and match.   And I can forsee
a lot of lawsuits if you cast the net too widely and
end up testing a lot of men who are not the biological
father.   Under the current court doctrine,  I don't expect
them to give relief to the legal father until they can
shift the burden to the biological father.

Mark Borgerson




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