_TR_ wrote:
> bluesmama wrote:

> > I don't personally believe all men are potential rapists. But then
how
> > do I know that my belief, based on the facts I have at hand, is any
> > more accurate and universally true than Feminist A?
>
> Let's return the quote's original level of bigotry, shall we?
> Do you believe that all women are "child killers and that's ALL they
are"?

No. But I don't believe all men are rapists and that's all they are.
Last time I checked, my driver's license didn't say "Marilyn French".

> Since I'm not a feminist, I'll be honest

Not biased, either, apparently.

and admit that I haven't read the
> source of the quote.  However, I have not seen anyone, feminist or
> otherwise, dispute the accuracy of the quote.

I believe I said I'd consider the quote accurate, having no evidence
one way or the other, for argument's sake.

But the quote displays a
> sentiment that seems to resonate with victimist fools such as you,

Just checked again. Nope. I'm not Marilyn French.

and so
> far you have done NOTHING to reject the sentiment.  After all, it's
GREAT
> feminist propganda, isn't it?  Wouldn't want to lose any of that,
would
> you?

I don't believe men are rapists and that's all they are. How much
clearer can I get on this. If I believed all men were rapists and
that's all they are, why the hell would I marry one and raise two
daughters with him? Get your head out of your ass and pay attention.

> > Studies and statistics can be found to back up either claim.
>
> No.  There is NO study that can convince an intelligent,
free-thinking
> person that all men are potential rapists, or that any substantial
number
> of men are potential rapists.  Nor will there ever be such a study.

There may be no study that you would accept. But your bias isn't my
problem.

> There surely are *feminist* "studies" that are designed specifically
for
> one-dimensional, non-thinking, emotion-besotted, victimism-worshiping
fools
> such as you and your herd.  But applying the word "study" to these
works of
> fiction is nothing more than a feminist propaganda device.

Dishonesty pops up in every camp. Even yours. So are all statistics and
studies considered suspect? Oh no....just the "feminist" ones that
disagree with your male-centered view of the truth.

>
> > I just have to trust my personal experience with men
>
> The extent of your "personal experience with men" is limitted to
> pussywhipped male feminists who behave the way you want them to
behave.
> Blokes who don't behave in the prescribed manner are ignored, at
best, or
> more typically villified, as you show with your behaviour in this
> newsgroup.  Hence, you're trust is misdirected.

The extent of my personal experience with men has obviously been a lot
more congenial and healthy than your personal experience with women. I
love several men. And - gosh - I'm only sleeping with one of them.

> > and my belief in  the inherent goodness of people, male or female.
>
> You don't believe in the "inherent goodness of people".  You are a
> feminist.  You believe in the eternal oppression of hewpwess wimmins
at the
> hand of dem eeebbil mens.

You do not get to decide what I believe. Not anymore. That was the old
days. You don't like the way things are now, now that you're not in
charge of everything? Too bad for you.

> >
> > What it seems you don't understand, Andre, is that anyone can
conduct a
> > study, pick and choose the results or statistics that back up the
claim
> > they're trying to prove, and publish their "findings".
>
> What you don't understand, bimbo, is that *real* studies require a
> rigourous adherence to scientific method and exhaustive scrutiny of
any
> so-called facts that arise thereof.  Feminist "research" dismisses
this
> procedure as an oppressive tool of the patriarchy.  Feminist
"research"
> starts with a conclusion and rejects any data that contradicts the
> predetermined outcome that women MUST be so very hard put-upon by men
while
> being oh-so-elegantly superiour.

Same old rhetoric, feminists can't be trusted. Dishonest research
starts with a conclusion and rejects and data that contradicts it.
Feminist or Masculinist or Marxist or and kind of "ist" you want to
name. Dishonesty doesn't have a gender or a political or ideological
affiliation. But saying it does sure makes a fine slogan.

> > The fact that something is widely believed and in print doesn't
make it
> > true. But if you are still having trouble with that fact, I have
this
> > intriguing email from a Nigerian bank I'd be delighted to forward
to you.
>
> You are a feminist.  You have been recruited already into a cult that
> paints women as simultaneously the world's eternal victims and its
most
> valiant victors.  You may try to project your gullibility to others,
but it
> only makes you look more feminist.

I'm a feminist? Who knew? Go me. I look "more" feminist now? Woo hoo!

> >
> >>> Now if you were to quit proudly pissing your name on the screen
and
> >>> tell me something about men and women I don't know
> >>
> >> I did. Gave you a load of quotes about *the misandry of Feminism*.
> >>
> >> YOU flounced it off.
> >
> > I still don't know what you want to debate. I've seen the quotes, I
> > believe they're accurate recordings, they don't describe my view of
the
> > world. All they prove is that some women, and some feminists, hate
men.
>
> What these quotes *prove*, if anything, is that victimism, fear,
ignorance
> and jealousy are the core tenets of feminism.  That you chose to
overlook
> them rather than dispute them shows that you'd prefer to keep these
vile
> expressions handy, just in case you need a bit of propaganda in a
pinch.

What these quotes may prove is that victimism, fear, ignorance and
jealousy are the beliefs of some feminists. This is not news. Does
projecting those views onto all feminists mean I can go ahead and think
you'll be lined up at the sex farm bludgeoning non-compliant females
with S Taylor?

> You don't know what the word "issues" means.  Here's a clue:  the
word is
> nothing but an empty epithet that feminists use as a supplementary
shield
> against an attack of reason.

Like you use the word feminism?

> > Misandry is not going to end until it is understood _why_ Feminist
A
> > believes all men are potential rapists - and all the other myths
are
> > debunked.
>
> Notice the generalisation.  "Feminist A" is the potential miscreant.
This
> anonymous wench gets to bear the responsibility for feminist folly.
> Meanwhile, this bluesmama bimbo gets to carry on believing that her
cult of
> victimism is the One True Way (tm).

Miscreant, wench, feminist, bimbo, cult, victimism. Whew. Now that's a
reasoned argument, I guess? Sounds like playground name-calling to me.

> > Misognyny is not going to end until it is understood _why_ men like
you
> > believe that any woman who doesn't see herself and inferior to you
and
> > kiss your ass is a man-hater.
>
> Notice the specific.  ANDRE and "men like him" (whatever the hell
that
> means) are responsible for overcoming a belief that, well, they
didn't
> believe in the first place!  Such specifics were a bit too
inconvenient
> when the bimbo pontificated on the "forgiveable" transgression of
misandry.

Yep, I try to be specific when I talk directly to someone. When exactly
did this bimbo pontificate on the "forgiveable" transgression of
misandry. Misandry's forgiveable?

> Ain't feminist "logic" a sorry spectacle!

My logic isn't necessarily feminist, dear, it's just mine.

> > You can't change attitudes and beliefs until you change the
thoughts
> > and experiences that prompted them.
>
> Indeed.  Which, if you understood what you just wrote, would man that
> you'll remain ignorant as long as you are a feminist.

Again with the "feminists are bad" thing. More logic and reason.

> > And you can't challenge the validity of those thoughts and
experiences
> > until you listen to and consider them.
>
> You are a feminist.  By your own admission, the "validity" of
thoughts and
> experiences is suspect and of secondary concern for those people who
don't
> have your reproductive configuration.  Furthermore, your tenure on
this
> newsgroup has revealed a notable absence of your "listening".
Instead you
> drop in to notify one and all that we're not expressing ourselves in
the
> manner you prefer.  Your ONLY concession occurred when a *woman*
called you
> to task.

Yep, I AM a feminist. Still holding a grudge because I like polite
conversation? As far as concessions go, I have noted several times that
someone - a MAN even - has made points that sound reasonable to me.
I've yet to see you do the same. So which of us is more biased?

> Yep.  You ARE a feminist.

Right again.

> > So as long as you are hung up on what people say and not
> > _why_ they say it, you'll be "debating" useless points for a very
long
> > time.
>
> Do you have even the faintest clue about the irony that pervades what
you
> just wrote?

Enlighten me, if you can.

> > You wouldn't know logic if it jumped up and bit you in the nuts, by
the
> > way.
>
> Logic doesn't bite.

Wow. I never considered that. And here I thought figures of speech were
often used in conversation to make a point. Damn college English.

> > And it just occurred to me that you might want to do a study of
> > your own. The women you've been in contact with that have made you
so
> > misogynistic might not be man-haters after all.
> > They might just hate you.
>
> There you go.  You might consider that your blustering behaviour and
> purposefully ignorant outlook keep men from communicating with you.
And
> before you launch into another pointless "my glorious familial flock
of
> feminists" routine, consider that the pussywhipped, trained wretch
that you
> throw scraps towards does NOT represent human males in any way other
than
> an accident of chromosomes.

Secure, strong men have no trouble communicating with me. And thank
goodness, those chromosomes of his are being passed on to another
generation. And I'm raising two girls who will undoubtedly grow up to
be strong, beautiful, vocal women who will pussywhip any sons you might
have.

If they're even yours, of course, and not just some other guy's kids
you're paying for.



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