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   I have no idea what you are talking about.  Only one thing opens =
automatically on first logon to a clean install of Vista and that is the =
Welcome Center to which I was referring.  To what exactly are you =
referring or are you just making stuff up?

   You have what you want.  Your whining, and something you have =
repeated over the years, is that you want the product defaults to be = your
personal preferences claiming that what you prefer for yourself is = what
everyone should prefer.  It's as bogus a suggestion now as it has = always
been.

Rich


  "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45a91a3d$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45a87177$1{at}w3.nls.net...

  >>   You are confusing setup and first logon.

  You know, for a first time user I can see where all the text and =
windows=20
  that vista pops up could be helpful. I'm not so far gone that I don't=20
  remember my very first time I used a computer, it was daunting and =
certainly=20
  all the explanations and offerings would help.

  But for someone who has been using windows since.. well since before =
program=20
  manager and file manager had icons (my first windows was text based =
GUI)=20
  it's like being in a car with a kid who keeps saying "are we there =
yet" with=20
  every popup. A simple folder on the desktop with shortcuts to all the =
new=20
  stuff would have been more than sufficient to explore the system.

  Windows really does need an install option that offers the choice=20
  "newbie/experienced/expert" so when it installs it can get turn off =
the=20
  newbie crap and wizards, enable classic everything, etc. for the rest =
of us.=20
  I mean really.. years ago when we moved from NT/W89/me to W2K there =
were how=20
  many windows users in the world? Today these people are windows users =
with=20
  7 YEARS experience, they don't need to be treated this way.

  When is Microsoft going to recognize it's ignored the experienced =
users and=20
  provide a version for us? I want raw sockets back, I want file =
extensions=20
  viewable by default, I want classic control panel, I want admin tools=20
  enabled by default, I want to hit network properties and see "shared =
files"=20
  instead of "show me all the files and folders I am sharing" I don't =
want=20
  "diagnose and repair" I want "diagnose" and
"repair" so that I don't =
have to=20
  worry about the system modifying my settings simply because I want to=20
  troubleshoot something.

  The popup that warns me that nero smart start is incompatible with =
vista=20
  needs to give me more information, what is incompatible since =
disabling that=20
  stupid service that warns me seems to let nero smart start run just =
fine. If=20
  you are going to include DRM, then dammit have it tell me that it's =
the DRM=20
  that is stopping me from viewing HD video instead of making it look =
like a=20
  bug. I don't need to waste time trying to fix what MS breaks on =
purpose.=20
  Vista Ultimate has no network sniffer, why not include such a basic=20
  diagnostic tool in the ultimate version?

  Geo.=20

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   I have no
idea what you =
are talking=20
about.  Only one thing opens automatically on first logon to a = clean=20
install of Vista and that is the Welcome Center to which I was =
referring. =20
To what exactly are you referring or are you just making stuff =
up?
 
   You have what you =
want.  Your=20
whining, and something you have repeated over the years, is that you = want the=20
product defaults to be your personal preferences claiming that what you = prefer=20
for yourself is what everyone should prefer.  It's as bogus a =
suggestion=20
now as it has always been.
 
Rich
 
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:45a91a3d$1{at}w3.nls.net..."Rich"=20
  <{at}> wrote in message news:45a87177$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>>  =20
  You are confusing setup and first logon.You know, for a first =
time=20
  user I can see where all the text and windows that vista pops up =
could be=20
  helpful. I'm not so far gone that I don't remember my very first =
time I=20
  used a computer, it was daunting and certainly all the =
explanations and=20
  offerings would help.But for someone who has been using =
windows=20
  since.. well since before program manager and file manager had =
icons (my=20
  first windows was text based GUI) it's like being in a car with a =
kid who=20
  keeps saying "are we there yet" with every popup. A
simple folder =
on the=20
  desktop with shortcuts to all the new stuff would have been more =
than=20
  sufficient to explore the system.Windows really does need an =
install=20
  option that offers the choice
"newbie/experienced/expert" so when =
it=20
  installs it can get turn off the newbie crap and wizards, enable =
classic=20
  everything, etc. for the rest of us. I mean really.. years ago =
when we=20
  moved from NT/W89/me to W2K there were how many windows users in =
the=20
  world? Today these people are windows users with 7 YEARS =
experience, they=20
  don't need to be treated this way.When is Microsoft going to =
recognize=20
  it's ignored the experienced users and provide a version for us? I =
want=20
  raw sockets back, I want file extensions viewable by default, I =
want=20
  classic control panel, I want admin tools enabled by default, I =
want to=20
  hit network properties and see "shared files" instead
of "show me =
all the=20
  files and folders I am sharing" I don't want
"diagnose and repair" =
I want=20
  "diagnose" and "repair" so that I don't have to
worry about the =
system=20
  modifying my settings simply because I want to troubleshoot=20
  something.The popup that warns me that nero smart start is=20
  incompatible with vista needs to give me more information, what is =

  incompatible since disabling that stupid service that warns me =
seems to=20
  let nero smart start run just fine. If you are going to include =
DRM, then=20
  dammit have it tell me that it's the DRM that is stopping me from =
viewing=20
  HD video instead of making it look like a bug. I don't need to =
waste time=20
  trying to fix what MS breaks on purpose. Vista Ultimate has no =
network=20
  sniffer, why not include such a basic diagnostic tool in the =
ultimate=20
  version?Geo.


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