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from: Mark Borgerson mborgerso
date: 2005-01-30 18:07:00
subject: Re: Teenage IT boy easily beats women in IT

In article , 
grizzlieantagonist{at}earthlink.net says...
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:04:12 -0800, Mark Borgerson
>  wrote:
> 
> >In article , 
> >connor_a{at}hotmail.com says...
> >> His geek hobby landed him a job .... "What, at the local store or
> >> something?" David Ross remembered thinking when his son told him.
> >> 
> >> No, at Netscape Communications Corp!
> >> 
> >>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/soc.men/post?_done=%2Fgroup%2Fsoc.men%3F&_doneTitle=Back+to+topics&
> >> 
> >> Can you believe this: Teen Is Co-Creator of Firefox Browser; where are
> >> the female equals?
> >> 
> >> 
> >Perhaps here:
> >
> >http://www.intel.com/education/isef/2004winners.htm
> 
> 
> As usual, Marc Borgerson, you are a complete and utter idiot, and I
> pity your young son that you are trying to turn into a girl.
> 
> There are two boys and one girl on that page, and all three are
> STUDENTS!  STUDENTS!  They haven't done anything in the private
> sector.

LOL!  What was Ross before he got his job?  A STUDENT!  
> 
> Are you SERIOUSLY intending to compare a 17 year old girl who created
> some sort of simulation of an underwater volcano with a 17 year old
> boy designing browsers for Netscape - and who was designing web pages
> for AOL at the age of 10?
> 
> I have seen Sarah Langberg's future, and it's June Cleaver's past.
> Research expedition at sea - HA!  She'll be making babies and pot
> roasts soon enough!
> 

I don't think June Cleaver ever got a $50,000 scholarship.

Women as research scientists at sea were relatively rare
(only about 10% of the scientists) back in in the 70's.
Now they are 30 to 50% of those going to sea aboard
university research vessels, according to cruise plans
I've seen:

http://www.geomar.de/projekte/tecflux_e/nh9906collier.pdf
(5 of 14 scientist berths are filled by women).
> 
> 
> >BTW,  I doubt he did it 'easily'.  I'll bet it took a lot of work 
> >and a lot of hours!
> >
> >Mark Borgerson
> 
> 
> OF COURSE, it took a lot of work and long hours; the story, which you
> obviously didn't read, says as much.  He says that he has fond
> memories of long nights spent at Netscape.
> 
> So?  The New York Mets "easily" outdistanced their competitors in the
> National League Eastern Division in 1986.  They won by 21 1/2 games.
> 
> They still had to play 162 games to do it.  Do you think that this
> means that they DIDN'T easily beat their competitors in that division?
> They were still far and away the class of the division, weren't they?
> What's your point?
> 
> "Easily" in the context in which connor used it meant that David
> Ross's accomplishment far outdistanced anyone else's.

I think 'easily' is the wrong word to describe the accomplishment.
I admit that I didn't read the article---the link posted was
to a subscription site that requires a login and password.  Since
you read the article,  why don't you post the part that says
it was accomplished 'easily'?

I applaud his accomplisments and think he'd be a great example
for my son.  To say that he beat anyone 'easily' demeans his
achievemnt.
> 


Mark Borgerson



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