In article , 
laurann{at}sprintmail.com says...
> 
> Andre Lieven wrote:
> > knoxy (knoxy{at}post.com) displayed her misandry:
> > > In article , dg411
> > > {at}FreeNet.Carleton.CA says...
> > >>
> > >> "lukne" (laurann{at}sprintmail.com) writes:
> > >> > Ian wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >
>
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Opinion/Men-in-trouble-now-that-even-their-sperm-isnt-necessary/2005/01/18/1105810914296.html?oneclick=true
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Good article, from Angry Harry.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "The world does not need more celebrities,
more academics or
> more
> > >> >> graduates with big debts racing off overseas
for a gap year
> before
> > >> >> returning to work in a bar. What the world
needs is more people
> who
> > >> >> know how to make and maintain things that run our lives.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It's not DIY, The Good Life or even Backyard
Blitz. It's just
> men who
> > >> >> do stuff - building, fixing, knocking down, taking away,
> rerouting,
> > >> >> unravelling, dismantling, unearthing - that
help keep a whole
> > >> >> community, not just a private home, alive."
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I think men should be encouraged to take women
who whine on
> about
> > >> > equal
> > >> >> rights, and put them in tea crates where they
are shipped off
> to the
> > >> >> Australian Outback. They can come back home to
Islington, (and
> I
> > >> > guess
> > >> >> Shoreditch) only when they realise that the
roads they walk on,
> the
> > >> >> houses they live in, and the water in the tap
aren't maintained
> by
> > >> >> magic.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> To all the feminists out there reading this. If
you disagree, I
> want
> > >> >> you to go off to Africa, and build a replica of
New York city,
> or
> > >> >> London, as was done by men.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If that's too difficult, just build an office
block 300 metres
> high.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If that's too difficult, just build an Office
with working
> satellite
> > >> >> internet access.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If that's too difficult just build a car.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If that's too difficult, just build a petrol pump.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If that's too difficult, just make a vulcanised
tyre, or a z80
> > >> >> processor to control the petrol pump.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If that's too difficult, just make the
polythene for the tyre,
> or the
> > >> >> silicon platter for the processor.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If that's too difficult, just make pure silicon.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If that's too difficult, just defend the land
from communists.
> > >> >> Got the reason why there's a paygap yet, Patricia Hewitt?
> > >> >
> > >> > So you want us women to give you men credit for all the great
> things
> > >> > you've created in the world?  Sure, I'll do that.  Thank you
> men!
> > >>
> > >> One thing: Since the good that men have built, covers so many
> matters,
> > >> and offers everyone, men, women, and children, alike, and "
> equally ",
> > >> benefits that would simply not exist, without them, one
little "
> Thank
> > >> you " ain't gonna do it. Gratitude needs to be a
bit more than a
> wife
> > >> might demand for her having microwaved dinner...
> > >>
> > > I'd like to thank 'the' men that did all that good.
> >
> > But, you have yet to DO so...
> >
> > > You're not included on that list, so you can just fuck
> > > off when you try to take credit for what other men have
> > > done.
> >
> > OK: So, since you also have done bupkis, then you can also
> > " fuck off ".
> >
> > >> And, while we could do the men do good and evil dance all day,
> > >> what makes our points right, is that FEW men do evil, and MANY
> > >> men do good.
> > >>
> > >> Heres one example: 9/11- 19 evil men. At least 243 ( dead )
> > >> fireMEN...
> > >>
> > >> > But
> > >> > you must also take personal responsibility for all
the terrible
> things
> > >> > you've created too such as: two world wars and zillions of
> others;
> > >>
> > >> " zillions " ? Retake math class, and, this
time... pass it.
> > >>
> > >> Again, lets be clear about this. Much evil that is done, is done
> not
> > >> in the name of " men ", but in the name of
" special interest
> group
> > >> A ", as in " Feminism ".
> > >>
> > >> > nuclear weapons; other weapons of mass distruction;
incredible
> > >> > suffering under MALE dictators like Stalin, Hitler, Chairman
> Mao, Idi
> > >> > Amin, etc.; slavery; colonialism; South African Apartheid;
> communism;
> > >> > global warming; and disco music.  Ready yet?
> > >>
> > >> Yep. Because, next to all that, the good and the GREAT that men
> do,
> > >> beats the crap out of it. The proof of that is that you are not
> > >> trying to post to the Illegalnet, from a concentration camp on the
> > >> former Soviet border...
> > >>
> > >> Now, as to great things: Get a copy of " From The
Earth To The
> > >> Moon ", DVD, HBO, on the 1960s US space program,
and watch real
> > >> closely to the morals of the people, who were real people, who
> > >> made it all happen.
> > >>
> > >> Male greats, including FDR, Churchill, weapons of mass destruction
> > >> NOT used, Einstein, Stephen Hawking, Alexander Graham Bell,
> Edison,
> > >> and so on, freedom, post-colonialism, South African reconciliation
> > >> ( Nelson Mandells, a man, you know ), the death of communism, not
> > >> to mention men who finished off Fascism, at a personal cost in the
> > >> millions of men, research into climate change ( Did you know that
> > >> we're past due for the next Ice Age ? ), and classic rock.
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, I'm more than ready. Heck, I'd say that theres a pretty
> > >> good correlation between the feminisation of western culture,
> > >> and the ( hopefully temporary ) end of manned deep space
> > >> exploration. 'Cause it wasn't very... safe, and modern feminised
> > >> society demands that we be as safe as when we're with mommy...
> > >>
> > >> But, to do great things, you have accept some... risk.
> > >>
> > >> How many women discovered new lands, again ?
> >
> > No answer ? That must mean that NO woman ever accomplished
> > such a thing.
> 
> Oh come on Andre you're better than that.  Do you really think a woman
> would have been allowed to captain a boat of male sailors in the 10th
> to 16th centuries?  Women weren't even allowed to become sailors.
> 
> Men held the advantage for so many years because physically they're
> bigger and stronger; they have more testosterone than women.  Hence,
> men could control us with brute force. Often, women weren't allowed
> into universities or allowed any education at all. Many universities
> wouldn't admit women, and many of their families wouldn't pay for their
> education.
> 
> Plus, childbearing was hard back then and many women died before their
> 21st birthday.  Is it no coincidence that females' life span increased
> as child birth became less dangerous.
> Relatively recently, women seeking educated were looked down upon. When
> Elizabeth Dole entered Harvard Law School in the early 60s, a male
> classmate told her she was selfish since her spot could have given to a
> man.  And when Sandra Day O'Connor graduated 2nd from Stanford Law
> School, no law firm would hire her, and she was forced to start her law
> career as a paralegal.
> 
> So when you say that women have accomplished nothing and men
> everything, you're not looking at the whole picture.
>
Let's not forget that much of the exploration that led to the
European 'discovery' of North and South America was funded 
and supported by women---Isabella of Spain, and Elizabeth I of
England.  Much of the Russian exploration of the Pacific Coast
of North America was organized and promoted by the Empress Catherine
of Russia.   

To say that women were powerless in the Tudor era is just as wrong as 
saying they played no part in the European voyages of discovery.



Mark Borgerson



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