Hyerdahl3 wrote:
> >Subject: Re: Women might buy more stuff, but that doesn't excuse TV
ads
> >From: "bluesmama" onebluesmama{at}gmail.com
> >Date: 1/10/2005 12:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: 
> >
>
> >
> >Heidi Graw wrote:
> >> >"bluesmama" 
wrote in message
> >> >news:1105375467.646670.263890{at}f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> (snip)
> >>
> >> >bluesmama wrote:>> > So women were oppressed for
centuries, and
men have
> been oppressed
> >for > three decades.
>
> How have men been "oppressed" by women?
> >>
> >> Bluesmama, that is not true.  The *majority* of men had been
> oppressed under> a *class* system since the dawn of ages. The rich
man
> oppressed the>poor man.  The majority of slaves were men.
>
> Ah, but where do you have a case of women oppressing men?
Patriarchal
> oppression works to oppress both women and other men.
>
> >>You are talking about oppression of men & women by mostly men,
though,
> >right? Even rich women didn't have much power, beyond their sexual
> >power, back at the dawn of time.
> >
> INdeed.  It has been said that even Cleopatra was genitally mutilated
for the
> service of patriarchy.
>
> >The three decades of male-bias thing is what I've been hearing
most>about in
> these posts, from men.
>
> You mean ever since they had DNA testing?  :-)
>
> >Men were slaughtered by the millions
> > as they were commanded, conscripted and otherwised seized to go
to>war.
>
> Sure, but not by women, by OTHER MEN.
>
> >>Commanded, conscripted or otherwise seized by women, or by other
men?
> >
> Yup.
>
> >> As for what has been going on recently, if the men feel the scales
of
>  justice have tipped too far towards the feminine, then by all
means,>let's
>  look at possible readjustments to see if a fair balance can
be>achieved.
> >
> >That would be the sensible approach. To have a serious and
encompassing
> >look at gender issues where both genders have equal authority to
speak
> >and have their opinions heard. So we could live in a balanced and
> fair>society.
> >
> >So how do we go about doing that, when we keep getting caught up in
the
> >he said-she said debate?
>
> Call me a cockeyed optomist, :-) but I see this as part OF the
debate.  :-)

You see what as part of the debate? The mechanics of it?



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