From: "Rich Gauszka" 

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I realize the degradation is mandated for all players. It's the bozos =
that mandated this in the screw-the-consumer drm consortium that I'm =
railing against.

In my eyes Microsoft is not the lone culprit in this matter - just one = of many


"Rich"  wrote in message news:45b40ac7{at}w3.nls.net...
     This guy is still a bozo and his "paper" is a bunch of random =
noise.  Unless you want to look like a bozo I wouldn't let him speak for =
you.  See =
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows=
-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx for truthful =
information on the subject.

     BTW, the degradation referred to is mandated for all players not =
just software players on PCs.

  Rich

    "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:45b40704$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    There's content protection  and there is consumer abuse

    http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

    Alongside the all-or-nothing approach of disabling output, Vista =
requires that any interface that provides high-quality output degrade = the
signal quality that passes through it if premium content is present. = This
is done through a "constrictor" that downgrades the signal to a =
much lower-quality one, then up- scales it again back to the original =
spec, but with a significant loss in quality. So if you're using an =
expensive new LCD display fed from a high- quality DVI signal on your =
video card and there's protected content present, the picture you're =
going to see will be, as the spec puts it, "slightly fuzzy", a
bit like = a 10-year-old CRT monitor that you picked up for $2 at a yard
sale [Note = F]. In fact the specification specifically still allows for
old VGA = analog outputs, but even that's only because disallowing them
would = upset too many existing owners of analog monitors. In the future
even = analog VGA output will probably have to be disabled. The only thing
that = seems to be explicitly allowed is the extremely low-quality TV-out,
= provided that Macrovision is applied to it.

      "Rich"  wrote in message news:45b405f9$1{at}w3.nls.net...
         So you think that HD DVD or bluray would have been released =
without any standard for content protection?  In what fantasy world do = you live?

      Rich

        "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45b3c353$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        The specifications from the standards committee is what makes =
the mandate=20
        possible, and in itself mandates the limits of those =
capabilities.

        Geo.

        "Rich"  wrote in message news:45b38858{at}w3.nls.net...
           You are confused.  Microsoft may have participated in the =
standards=20
        committees on the specifications.  As an implementor and =
consequently an=20
        interested party, membership seems like a good idea.  The =
specifications=20
        don't mandate that content must be protected.  It's the content =
providers=20
        that make this mandate.

        Rich


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I realize the degradation is mandated =
for all=20
players. It's the bozos that mandated this in the screw-the-consumer drm =

consortium that I'm railing against.
 
In my eyes Microsoft is not the =
lone culprit=20
in this matter - just one of many
 
 
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:45b40ac7{at}w3.nls.net...

     This
guy is still a bozo =
and his=20
  "paper" is a bunch of random noise.  Unless you want
to look like =
a bozo=20
  I wouldn't let him speak for you.  See http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20=
/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx">http=
://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vis=
ta-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx for=20
  truthful information on the subject.
   
     BTW,
the degradation =
referred to is=20
  mandated for all players not just software players on =
PCs.
   
  Rich
   
  

    "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.commailto:gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.com">gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.com
A>>=20
    wrote in message news:45b40704$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    There's content protection =
 and there is=20
    consumer abuse
     
    http:=">http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html">http:=
//www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
     
    Alongside the all-or-nothing approach of disabling output, =
Vista=20
    requires that any interface that provides high-quality output =
degrade the=20
    signal quality that passes through it if premium content is present. =
This is=20
    done through a "constrictor" that downgrades the signal to a much=20
    lower-quality one, then up- scales it again back to the original =
spec, but=20
    with a significant loss in quality. So if you're using an expensive =
new LCD=20
    display fed from a high- quality DVI signal on your video card and =
there's=20
    protected content present, the picture you're going to see will be, =
as the=20
    spec puts it, "slightly fuzzy", a bit like a 10-year-old CRT monitor =
that=20
    you picked up for $2 at a yard sale [Not=">http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#f">Not=
e=20
    F]. In fact the specification specifically still allows for old =
VGA=20
    analog outputs, but even that's only because disallowing them would =
upset=20
    too many existing owners of analog monitors. In the future even =
analog VGA=20
    output will probably have to be disabled. The only thing that seems =
to be=20
    explicitly allowed is the extremely low-quality TV-out, provided =
that=20
    Macrovision is applied to it.
     
    

      "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:45b405f9$1{at}w3.nls.net...
         So
you think that HD =
DVD or=20
      bluray would have been released without any standard for content=20
      protection?  In what fantasy world do you
live?
       
      Rich
       
      
        "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>=20">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>=20
        wrote in message news:45b3c353$1{at}w3.nls.net...The=20
        specifications from the standards committee is what makes the =
mandate=20
        possible, and in itself mandates the limits of those=20
       
capabilities.Geo."Rich"
<{at}> wrote in =
message news:45b38858{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p; =20
        You are confused.  Microsoft may have participated in the =
standards=20
        committees on the specifications.  As an implementor =
and=20
        consequently an interested party, membership seems like a =
good=20
        idea.  The specifications don't mandate that content =
must be=20
        protected.  It's the content providers that make this=20
        =
mandate.Rich

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