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   Nonsense.  Region coding, encryption (e.g. CSS), expiring content =
(e.g. DivX) are examples that existed without pre-existing support from =
software vendors.  These and the other forms of restrictions all exist =
because the content providers require it.  Microsoft, Apple, real as = well
as CE vendors (e.g. Pioneer, Creative, Apple) support it only = because it
is required to even play the game.  Without it you can only = sit on the
outside and watch.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message
news:45b407ba{at}w3.nls.net...
  My point is it is the vendors who enable features like content =
expiration=20
  who are responsible, not the people who requested it, but the people =
like=20
  Microsoft who make it real.

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45b405a9$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     The implementation in Windows is a framework with a set of =
capabilities=20
  necessary to meet the requirements of not just HD-DVD but other =
content as=20
  well.  It is not a hard coded implementation of any specific =
requirements.=20
  This is necessary to allow Windows to be  a platform for playback of =
as much=20
  content as possible.

     Your example of expiration is something that doesn't apply to =
HD-DVD, or=20
  at least I don't think so but I could be wrong.  I'm not at all =
familiar=20
  with what AACS allows.  It is something that applies to distributable =
audio=20
  and video content.  If you see it used, you should contact the content =

  provider and/or licensor to ask why.  FWIW, an expiration date has =
been=20
  supported since version 1.0 or WMDRM released in 1999.

  Rich

    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45b3c20f$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    If the content protection in vista goes above and beyond that found =
on=20
  HDDVD
    players then can you really claim it was just to support protections
    mandated by the content? For example if vista allows downloading =
content
    that expires after a week, you can't possibly be serious that vista =
isn't
    directly responsible for extending the capabilities of HD-DVD =
content
    protection.

    Geo.

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45b2f6e3$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       The extra CPU is to support the protections mandated by the =
content.=20
  The
    additional functionality is the ability to render that content at =
all.  If
    you don't want to play protected content such as HD-DVD or bluray =
then you
    should care that increased CPU is required to do so.  If you do want =
to=20
  play
    such content then you should be pleased that it is possible.

    Rich

      "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
    news:45b2ec71$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      The Vista team is hallucinating equating additional CPU cycles =
used for
    drm
      with additional functionality for consumers.

      from the link
      ------------------------------------------------------------
      Will Windows Vista content protection features increase CPU =
resource
      consumption?

      Yes.  However, the use of additional CPU cycles is inevitable, as =
the PC
      provides consumers with additional functionality.
      -------------------------------------------------------------

      "John Beamish"  wrote in message
      =
news:op.tmhkksu1m6tn4t{at}dellblack.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com...
      > In this vein ... there was the story that Vista imposed DRM in =
such a
      > manner that if (for example) you were listening to a CD that was =

  subject
      > to DRM and you were a technician viewing (according to this =
example) a
      > digital x-ray that the x-ray would be degraded to the same =
extent that
    DRM
      > required the CD to be degraded.
      >
      > The Windows Vista team replied here:
      >
    =
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows=
-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx

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   Nonsense.  =
Region coding,=20
encryption (e.g. CSS), expiring content (e.g. DivX) are =
examples that=20
existed without pre-existing support from software vendors.  These
= and the=20
other forms of restrictions all exist because the content providers = require=20
it.  Microsoft, Apple, real as well as CE vendors (e.g. Pioneer, =
Creative,=20
Apple) support it only because it is required to even play the = game. =20
Without it you can only sit on the outside and watch.
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:45b407ba{at}w3.nls.net...My=
 point=20
  is it is the vendors who enable features like content expiration =
who are=20
  responsible, not the people who requested it, but the people like=20
  Microsoft who make it
real.Geo."Rich"
<{at}> =
wrote in=20
  message news:45b405a9$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
  =20
  The implementation in Windows is a framework with a set of =
capabilities=20
  necessary to meet the requirements of not just HD-DVD but other =
content as=20
  well.  It is not a hard coded implementation of any specific=20
  requirements. This is necessary to allow Windows to be  a =
platform=20
  for playback of as much content as
possible.   =
Your=20
  example of expiration is something that doesn't apply to HD-DVD, or =
at=20
  least I don't think so but I could be wrong.  I'm not at all =
familiar=20
  with what AACS allows.  It is something that applies to =
distributable=20
  audio and video content.  If you see it used, you should =
contact the=20
  content provider and/or licensor to ask why.  FWIW, an =
expiration=20
  date has been supported since version 1.0 or WMDRM released in=20
  1999.Rich 
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45b3c20f$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  If the content protection in vista goes above and beyond that found on =

  HDDVD  players then can you really claim it
was just to =
support=20
  protections  mandated by the content? For example if vista =
allows=20
  downloading content  that expires after a week, you can't =
possibly be=20
  serious that vista isn't  directly responsible for extending =
the=20
  capabilities of HD-DVD content 
protection. =20
  Geo.  "Rich" <{at}>
wrote in message news:45b2f6e3$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
    =20
  The extra CPU is to support the protections mandated by the content.=20
  The  additional functionality is the ability
to render =
that=20
  content at all.  If  you don't want to play protected =
content=20
  such as HD-DVD or bluray then you  should care that increased =
CPU is=20
  required to do so.  If you do want to
play  such =
content=20
  then you should be pleased that it is possible. =20
  Rich    "Rich
Gauszka" <gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.commailto:gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.com">gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.com
A>>=20
  wrote in message  news:45b2ec71$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  The Vista team is hallucinating equating additional CPU cycles used=20
  for  drm    with
additional functionality =
for=20
  consumers.    from the =
link   =20
  =
------------------------------------------------------------ &nb=
sp; =20
  Will Windows Vista content protection features increase CPU=20
  resource   
consumption?   =20
  Yes.  However, the use of additional CPU cycles is inevitable, as =
the=20
  PC    provides consumers with additional=20
  functionality.   =20
  =
-------------------------------------------------------------&nbs=
p;  =20
  "John Beamish" <JLBeamish{at}rogers.com>">mailto:JLBeamish{at}rogers.com">JLBeamish{at}rogers.com>
=
wrote in=20
  message    news:op.tmhkksu1m6tn4t{at}dellblack.wlfdle.phub.net.cable.rogers.com..=
.   =20
  > In this vein ... there was the story that Vista imposed DRM in =
such=20
  a    > manner that if (for
example) you were =
listening=20
  to a CD that was
subject    > to DRM
and you =
were a=20
  technician viewing (according to this example)
a    =
>=20
  digital x-ray that the x-ray would be degraded to the same extent=20
  that  DRM   
> required the CD to be=20
  degraded.   
>    > The =
Windows=20
  Vista team replied here:   
>  http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20=
/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx">http=
://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vis=
ta-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx

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