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   This guy is still a bozo and his "paper" is a bunch of random noise.  =
Unless you want to look like a bozo I wouldn't let him speak for you.  = See =
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows=
-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx for truthful =
information on the subject.

   BTW, the degradation referred to is mandated for all players not just =
software players on PCs.

Rich

  "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:45b40704$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  There's content protection  and there is consumer abuse

  http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

  Alongside the all-or-nothing approach of disabling output, Vista =
requires that any interface that provides high-quality output degrade = the
signal quality that passes through it if premium content is present. = This
is done through a "constrictor" that downgrades the signal to a =
much lower-quality one, then up- scales it again back to the original =
spec, but with a significant loss in quality. So if you're using an =
expensive new LCD display fed from a high- quality DVI signal on your =
video card and there's protected content present, the picture you're =
going to see will be, as the spec puts it, "slightly fuzzy", a
bit like = a 10-year-old CRT monitor that you picked up for $2 at a yard
sale [Note = F]. In fact the specification specifically still allows for
old VGA = analog outputs, but even that's only because disallowing them
would = upset too many existing owners of analog monitors. In the future
even = analog VGA output will probably have to be disabled. The only thing
that = seems to be explicitly allowed is the extremely low-quality TV-out,
= provided that Macrovision is applied to it.

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45b405f9$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       So you think that HD DVD or bluray would have been released =
without any standard for content protection?  In what fantasy world do = you live?

    Rich

      "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45b3c353$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      The specifications from the standards committee is what makes the =
mandate=20
      possible, and in itself mandates the limits of those capabilities.

      Geo.

      "Rich"  wrote in message news:45b38858{at}w3.nls.net...
         You are confused.  Microsoft may have participated in the =
standards=20
      committees on the specifications.  As an implementor and =
consequently an=20
      interested party, membership seems like a good idea.  The =
specifications=20
      don't mandate that content must be protected.  It's the content =
providers=20
      that make this mandate.

      Rich


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   This guy
is still a bozo =
and his=20
"paper" is a bunch of random noise.  Unless you want to
look like a = bozo I=20
wouldn't let him speak for you.  See http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20=
/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx">http=
://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vis=
ta-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx for=20
truthful information on the subject.
 
   BTW, the
degradation =
referred to is=20
mandated for all players not just software players on PCs.
 
Rich
 

  "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.commailto:gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.com">gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.com
A>>=20
  wrote in message news:45b40704$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  There's content protection
 and =
there is=20
  consumer abuse
   
  http:=">http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html">http:=
//www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
   
  Alongside the all-or-nothing approach of disabling output, Vista =
requires=20
  that any interface that provides high-quality output degrade the =
signal=20
  quality that passes through it if premium content is present. This is =
done=20
  through a "constrictor" that downgrades the signal to a much =
lower-quality=20
  one, then up- scales it again back to the original spec, but with a=20
  significant loss in quality. So if you're using an expensive new LCD =
display=20
  fed from a high- quality DVI signal on your video card and there's =
protected=20
  content present, the picture you're going to see will be, as the spec =
puts it,=20
  "slightly fuzzy", a bit like a 10-year-old CRT monitor that you picked =
up for=20
  $2 at a yard sale [Not=">http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#f">Not=
e=20
  F]. In fact the specification specifically still allows for old =
VGA analog=20
  outputs, but even that's only because disallowing them would upset too =
many=20
  existing owners of analog monitors. In the future even analog VGA =
output will=20
  probably have to be disabled. The only thing that seems to be =
explicitly=20
  allowed is the extremely low-quality TV-out, provided that Macrovision =
is=20
  applied to it.
   
  

    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:45b405f9$1{at}w3.nls.net...
       So
you think that HD =
DVD or bluray=20
    would have been released without any standard for content =
protection? =20
    In what fantasy world do you live?
     
    Rich
     
    
      "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>=20">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>=20
      wrote in message news:45b3c353$1{at}w3.nls.net...The=20
      specifications from the standards committee is what makes the =
mandate=20
      possible, and in itself mandates the limits of those=20
     
capabilities.Geo."Rich"
<{at}> wrote in message =
news:45b38858{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p; =20
      You are confused.  Microsoft may have participated in the =
standards=20
      committees on the specifications.  As an implementor and=20
      consequently an interested party, membership seems like a good =

      idea.  The specifications don't mandate that content must =
be=20
      protected.  It's the content providers that make this=20
      =
mandate.Rich

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