From: "Rich" 

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   The notifications to which you refer are not questions which is why =
they display quickly then disappear.  I see few of these and could turn =
those off if they bothered me.  If they bother you turn them off.  I'm =
still surprised you see many.  How many to a barrage?

   Your preferences have not become standard.  As for the firewall =
default change in SP2 I would turn it on before SP2 and am happy it is = on
by default.  It can be a problem though because some common third = party
products would screw up when the firewall was on.  I had several = friends
that lost all network access because mcafee or norton would turn = on their
firewalls even if previously disabled and whatever they do the = result was
no network access not just two firewalls.  Maybe these = products have
fixed this by now but it would have been an even more = serious problem
when Windows XP was first released.

   That's besides the point.  Most of your preferences are fine for you =
which is why they are options but the suggestion they be default is =
silly.  You have repeated this for years and it is still silly.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message
news:45a94229{at}w3.nls.net...
  I'm referring to the barrage of those help bubbles that keep popping =
up from=20
  the bottom of the screen and all the other questions the damn thing =
asks=20
  when you first login and start clicking around.

  As for my preferences, really? Gee you sure seem to have come around =
to=20
  respect some of my security preferences since they have become the =
standard.=20
  Firewall on by default post SP2, imagine that..

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45a92272{at}w3.nls.net...
     I have no idea what you are talking about.  Only one thing opens=20
  automatically on first logon to a clean install of Vista and that is =
the=20
  Welcome Center to which I was referring.  To what exactly are you =
referring=20
  or are you just making stuff up?

     You have what you want.  Your whining, and something you have =
repeated=20
  over the years, is that you want the product defaults to be your =
personal=20
  preferences claiming that what you prefer for yourself is what =
everyone=20
  should prefer.  It's as bogus a suggestion now as it has always been.

  Rich


    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45a91a3d$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45a87177$1{at}w3.nls.net...

    >>   You are confusing setup and first logon.

    You know, for a first time user I can see where all the text and =
windows
    that vista pops up could be helpful. I'm not so far gone that I =
don't
    remember my very first time I used a computer, it was daunting and=20
  certainly
    all the explanations and offerings would help.

    But for someone who has been using windows since.. well since before =

  program
    manager and file manager had icons (my first windows was text based =
GUI)
    it's like being in a car with a kid who keeps saying "are we there =
yet"=20
  with
    every popup. A simple folder on the desktop with shortcuts to all =
the new
    stuff would have been more than sufficient to explore the system.

    Windows really does need an install option that offers the choice
    "newbie/experienced/expert" so when it installs it can get turn off =
the
    newbie crap and wizards, enable classic everything, etc. for the =
rest of=20
  us.
    I mean really.. years ago when we moved from NT/W89/me to W2K there =
were=20
  how
    many windows users in the world? Today these people are windows =
users with
    7 YEARS experience, they don't need to be treated this way.

    When is Microsoft going to recognize it's ignored the experienced =
users=20
  and
    provide a version for us? I want raw sockets back, I want file =
extensions
    viewable by default, I want classic control panel, I want admin =
tools
    enabled by default, I want to hit network properties and see "shared =

  files"
    instead of "show me all the files and folders I am sharing" I don't =
want
    "diagnose and repair" I want "diagnose" and
"repair" so that I don't =
have=20
  to
    worry about the system modifying my settings simply because I want =
to
    troubleshoot something.

    The popup that warns me that nero smart start is incompatible with =
vista
    needs to give me more information, what is incompatible since =
disabling=20
  that
    stupid service that warns me seems to let nero smart start run just =
fine.=20
  If
    you are going to include DRM, then dammit have it tell me that it's =
the=20
  DRM
    that is stopping me from viewing HD video instead of making it look =
like a
    bug. I don't need to waste time trying to fix what MS breaks on =
purpose.
    Vista Ultimate has no network sniffer, why not include such a basic
    diagnostic tool in the ultimate version?

    Geo.

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   The
notifications to which =
you refer=20
are not questions which is why they display quickly then =
disappear.  I see=20
few of these and could turn those off if they bothered me.  If
they = bother=20
you turn them off.  I'm still surprised you see many. 
How = many to a=20
barrage?
 
   Your
preferences have not =
become=20
standard.  As for the firewall default change in SP2 I would turn = it on=20
before SP2 and am happy it is on by default.  It can be a problem
= though=20
because some common third party products would screw up when the = firewall was=20
on.  I had several friends that lost all network access because =
mcafee or=20
norton would turn on their firewalls even if previously disabled and = whatever=20
they do the result was no network access not just two firewalls.  = Maybe=20
these products have fixed this by now but it would have been an even = more=20
serious problem when Windows XP was first released.
 
   That's
besides the =
point.  Most=20
of your preferences are fine for you which is why they are options but = the=20
suggestion they be default is silly.  You have repeated this for =
years and=20
it is still silly.
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:45a94229{at}w3.nls.net...I'=
m=20
  referring to the barrage of those help bubbles that keep popping up =
from=20
  the bottom of the screen and all the other questions the damn =
thing asks=20
  when you first login and start clicking
around.As for my=20
  preferences, really? Gee you sure seem to have come around to =
respect some=20
  of my security preferences since they have become the standard. =
Firewall=20
  on by default post SP2, imagine
that..Geo."Rich" =
<{at}>=20
  wrote in message news:45a92272{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p; =20
  I have no idea what you are talking about.  Only one thing opens=20
  automatically on first logon to a clean install of Vista and that =
is the=20
  Welcome Center to which I was referring.  To what exactly are =
you=20
  referring or are you just making stuff
up?   You =
have=20
  what you want.  Your whining, and something you have repeated =
over=20
  the years, is that you want the product defaults to be your personal=20
  preferences claiming that what you prefer for yourself is what =
everyone=20
  should prefer.  It's as bogus a suggestion now as it has =
always=20
  been.Rich 
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45a91a3d$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:45a87177$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  >>   You are confusing setup and first =
logon. =20
  You know, for a first time user I can see where all the text and=20
  windows  that vista pops up could be helpful. I'm not so far =
gone=20
  that I don't  remember my very first time I used a computer, =
it was=20
  daunting and certainly  all the explanations and =
offerings would=20
  help.  But for someone who has been using
windows since.. =
well=20
  since before program  manager and file
manager had icons =
(my=20
  first windows was text based GUI)  it's like being in a car =
with a=20
  kid who keeps saying "are we there yet"
with  every =
popup. A=20
  simple folder on the desktop with shortcuts to all the new  =
stuff=20
  would have been more than sufficient to explore the =
system. =20
  Windows really does need an install option that offers the =
choice =20
  "newbie/experienced/expert" so when it installs it can get turn off=20
  the  newbie crap and wizards, enable classic everything, etc. =
for the=20
  rest of us.  I mean really.. years ago when
we moved from =

  NT/W89/me to W2K there were how  many
windows users in =
the world?=20
  Today these people are windows users with  7 YEARS =
experience, they=20
  don't need to be treated this way.  When is
Microsoft =
going to=20
  recognize it's ignored the experienced users
and  provide =
a=20
  version for us? I want raw sockets back, I want file =
extensions =20
  viewable by default, I want classic control panel, I want admin=20
  tools  enabled by default, I want to hit network properties =
and see=20
  "shared files"  instead of
"show me all the files and =
folders I=20
  am sharing" I don't want  "diagnose and
repair" I want =
"diagnose" and=20
  "repair" so that I don't have to 
worry about the system=20
  modifying my settings simply because I want to  troubleshoot=20
  something.  The popup that warns me that
nero smart start =
is=20
  incompatible with vista  needs to give me more information, =
what is=20
  incompatible since disabling that  stupid
service that =
warns me=20
  seems to let nero smart start run just fine.
If  you are =
going to=20
  include DRM, then dammit have it tell me that it's the =
DRM  that=20
  is stopping me from viewing HD video instead of making it look like=20
  a  bug. I don't need to waste time trying to fix what MS =
breaks on=20
  purpose.  Vista Ultimate has no network sniffer, why not =
include such=20
  a basic  diagnostic tool in the ultimate =
version? =20
  Geo.

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