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to: Geo.
from: Rich
date: 2007-01-13 19:49:30
subject: Re: george`s preferences

From: "Rich" 

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   The problem especially with the "expert" option you suggest is that =
experts differ.  I would consider myself an expert user and your =
preferences are not my preferences.

   I disagree there is any meaningful difference between what you call =
"newbies" and what you call "average users".  I
especially do not = believe you can make an intelligent distinction.

  Even as an expert, I prefer almost all UI settings to remain the =
default for several reasons.  One is that the defaults are OK for me.  =
The type of changes I make are to tighten security in ways that you = might
find objectionable such as disallowing auth except 128-bit NTLMv2 = and
Kerberos which prevents access from Windows NT 4.0 and other old = versions
of Windows.  I also disable NetBIOS over TCP/IP which also = prevents
access from Windows NT 4.0 and other old versions of Windows.  = I tighten
other security settings and enable settings that force buggy = applications
to be more likely to crash.  I've enabled these for years.  = I wouldn't
have recommended disabling Windows NT 4.0 access to your = default Windows
2000 user but it was fine for me.  In fact I think all = my changes are
good for me which is why I make them but I do not have = your ego to
suggest that my preferences should be the default for = others.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message
news:45a9a70f{at}w3.nls.net...
  I do turn them off, however upon first login there are lots of them. =
Windows=20
  update, security center, backup and restore, defender, it seemed like =
they=20
  just wouldn't leave me alone.

  As for my defaults being silly. Is it not silly to believe that one =
size=20
  fits all? I was suggesting 3 choices, one geared to newbies, one =
geared to=20
  average users, one geared to experts.

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45a957ca{at}w3.nls.net...
     The notifications to which you refer are not questions which is why =
they=20
  display quickly then disappear.  I see few of these and could turn =
those off=20
  if they bothered me.  If they bother you turn them off.  I'm still =
surprised=20
  you see many.  How many to a barrage?

     Your preferences have not become standard.  As for the firewall =
default=20
  change in SP2 I would turn it on before SP2 and am happy it is on by=20
  default.  It can be a problem though because some common third party=20
  products would screw up when the firewall was on.  I had several =
friends=20
  that lost all network access because mcafee or norton would turn on =
their=20
  firewalls even if previously disabled and whatever they do the result =
was no=20
  network access not just two firewalls.  Maybe these products have =
fixed this=20
  by now but it would have been an even more serious problem when =
Windows XP=20
  was first released.

     That's besides the point.  Most of your preferences are fine for =
you=20
  which is why they are options but the suggestion they be default is =
silly.=20
  You have repeated this for years and it is still silly.

  Rich

    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45a94229{at}w3.nls.net...
    I'm referring to the barrage of those help bubbles that keep popping =
up=20
  from
    the bottom of the screen and all the other questions the damn thing =
asks
    when you first login and start clicking around.



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   The
problem especially =
with the=20
"expert" option you suggest is that experts differ.  I
would = consider=20
myself an expert user and your preferences are not my =
preferences.
 
   I
disagree there is any =
meaningful=20
difference between what you call "newbies" and what you call
"average=20 users".  I especially do not believe you can
make an intelligent=20 distinction.
 
  Even as an expert, I prefer =
almost all UI=20
settings to remain the default for several reasons.  One is that = the=20
defaults are OK for me.  The type of changes I make are to tighten
= security=20
in ways that you might find objectionable such as disallowing auth = except=20
128-bit NTLMv2 and Kerberos which prevents access from Windows NT 4.0 = and other=20
old versions of Windows.  I also disable NetBIOS over TCP/IP which = also=20
prevents access from Windows NT 4.0 and other old versions of =
Windows.  I=20
tighten other security settings and enable settings that force buggy=20
applications to be more likely to crash.  I've
enabled = these for=20
years.  I wouldn't have recommended disabling Windows NT 4.0
access = to your=20
default Windows 2000 user but it was fine for me.  In fact I think
= all my=20
changes are good for me which is why I make them but I do not have
= your ego=20
to suggest that my preferences should be the default for =
others.
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:45a9a70f{at}w3.nls.net...I
= do turn=20
  them off, however upon first login there are lots of them. Windows =
update,=20
  security center, backup and restore, defender, it seemed like they =
just=20
  wouldn't leave me alone.As for my defaults being silly. Is it =
not=20
  silly to believe that one size fits all? I was suggesting 3 =
choices, one=20
  geared to newbies, one geared to average users, one geared to=20
  experts.Geo."Rich"
<{at}> wrote in message news:45a957ca{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p; =20
  The notifications to which you refer are not questions which is why =
they=20
  display quickly then disappear.  I see few of these and could =
turn=20
  those off if they bothered me.  If they bother you turn them=20
  off.  I'm still surprised you see many.  How
many to a=20
  barrage?   Your preferences have not become =
standard. =20
  As for the firewall default change in SP2 I would turn it on =
before SP2=20
  and am happy it is on by default.  It can be a problem though =
because=20
  some common third party products would screw up when the firewall =
was=20
  on.  I had several friends that lost all network access =
because=20
  mcafee or norton would turn on their firewalls even if previously =
disabled=20
  and whatever they do the result was no network access not just two =

  firewalls.  Maybe these products have fixed this by now but =
it would=20
  have been an even more serious problem when Windows XP was first=20
  released.   That's besides the
point.  Most of =
your=20
  preferences are fine for you which is why they are options but the =

  suggestion they be default is silly. You have repeated this for =
years and=20
  it is still silly.Rich 
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45a94229{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p; I'm=20
  referring to the barrage of those help bubbles that keep popping up=20
  from  the bottom of the screen and all the other =
questions the=20
  damn thing asks  when you first login and start clicking=20
  around.

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