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from: `bluesmama` onebluesmama
date: 2005-02-01 18:13:00
subject: Re: Report: Dads portrayed as clueless morons, but it`s OK b

USA wrote:
> http://www.mens-network.org/femimyths.html
>
> Trick: You can't criticize Feminism because no statement you make is
> true  of _all_ Feminists.
>
> This trick tries to block discussion by making it impossible to
> express  your thought. The writer simply specifies that by
"Feminism",
> he means mainstream Feminism, misandry. Another approach is to
qualify
> the term: "Gender Feminism", "Biofeminism", or
"Radical Feminism".
And
> if Feminism really was so random, by the same token you wouldn't be
> able say anything positive about it.
>
> >Because that radical voice is the only one that
> >seems to be heard, I guess because of its extreme nature. I think
that
> >scares a lot of men and women off from understanding what the push
for
> >equal rights is all about. Then men like S Taylor start talking
about
> >sex farms ad nauseum.
>
> http://www.mens-network.org/femimyths.html
>
> Trick: Well _I_ don't approve of [some particular Feminist evil].
Only
> some rare radical Feminists do. Maybe.
>
> If you genuinely don't, then we weren't criticizing _you_. But
> generally the statement is part of the old good cop / bad cop
routine.
> Do you ever actually criticize the misandrists? Ever advance new
> arguments against Feminist policies or actions? Ever spread the word
> about the latest Feminist outrage? Or do you just tell _us_ to stop
> holding Feminism accountable?
> >
>
> >>  I>believe feminism started out as a good thing, and can be one
> >again,
> >>
> >> I believe feminism has always been a good thing, in every part of
the
> >world,
> >> and in the many ways it has been expressed.  The equality of women
is
> >always a
> >> good thing, no?  What does a "radical" feminist do
to make her or
him
> >> "radical"?  :-)  'Betcha' can't eat just one.  :-)
> >
> >I don't believe there's anything good about things like talk of male
> >genocide, unless it serves that goading purpose I talked about
earlier,
> >or even acts in a sort of satirical function to point out that men
are
> >not about to go away, so we might as well try like hell to
understand
> >and interact with them.
>
> http://www.mens-network.org/femimyths.html
>
> Trick: I don't speak for Feminism, just for myself. I'm not
> accountable for Feminism. Feminism is not accountable for me.
>
> Fair enough if it came from a real non-Feminist. But if you have
> argued in defense or support of Feminism, you have shown your colors
> and we won't  forget it for your convenience. It's also fair to hold
> Feminism accountable  for you if other Feminists refrain from
> significantly criticizing you.
>
> >
> >> if it's taken back by women who are more interested in loving men
> >than>hating
> >> them.
> >> >
> >> Feminism isn't about men at all; it isn't about loving or hating
men.
> >It's
> >> simply about equal rights, and when women enforce the right they
> >already have
> >> at law, men scream "manhating".
>
> http://www.mens-network.org/femimyths.html
>
> Trick: Feminists just want equality. Feminism is about people.
>
> The anti-male nature of Feminists is so obvious, so huge, so
> outrageous, that to discuss this myth would only dignify it
> undeservedly. And we've all noticed that purveyors of this trick
don't
> object when the "Why should Feminism do anything for men" trick is
> used.

I wish I had time to respond to this now, it's one of the first
intelligent and thought-provoking posts I've read. I'll read it over
and think about it. Thanks.



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