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USA wrote: > http://www.mens-network.org/femimyths.html > > Trick: You can't criticize Feminism because no statement you make is > true of _all_ Feminists. > > This trick tries to block discussion by making it impossible to > express your thought. The writer simply specifies that by "Feminism", > he means mainstream Feminism, misandry. Another approach is to qualify > the term: "Gender Feminism", "Biofeminism", or "Radical Feminism". And > if Feminism really was so random, by the same token you wouldn't be > able say anything positive about it. > > >Because that radical voice is the only one that > >seems to be heard, I guess because of its extreme nature. I think that > >scares a lot of men and women off from understanding what the push for > >equal rights is all about. Then men like S Taylor start talking about > >sex farms ad nauseum. > > http://www.mens-network.org/femimyths.html > > Trick: Well _I_ don't approve of [some particular Feminist evil]. Only > some rare radical Feminists do. Maybe. > > If you genuinely don't, then we weren't criticizing _you_. But > generally the statement is part of the old good cop / bad cop routine. > Do you ever actually criticize the misandrists? Ever advance new > arguments against Feminist policies or actions? Ever spread the word > about the latest Feminist outrage? Or do you just tell _us_ to stop > holding Feminism accountable? > > > > >> I>believe feminism started out as a good thing, and can be one > >again, > >> > >> I believe feminism has always been a good thing, in every part of the > >world, > >> and in the many ways it has been expressed. The equality of women is > >always a > >> good thing, no? What does a "radical" feminist do to make her or him > >> "radical"? :-) 'Betcha' can't eat just one. :-) > > > >I don't believe there's anything good about things like talk of male > >genocide, unless it serves that goading purpose I talked about earlier, > >or even acts in a sort of satirical function to point out that men are > >not about to go away, so we might as well try like hell to understand > >and interact with them. > > http://www.mens-network.org/femimyths.html > > Trick: I don't speak for Feminism, just for myself. I'm not > accountable for Feminism. Feminism is not accountable for me. > > Fair enough if it came from a real non-Feminist. But if you have > argued in defense or support of Feminism, you have shown your colors > and we won't forget it for your convenience. It's also fair to hold > Feminism accountable for you if other Feminists refrain from > significantly criticizing you. > > > > >> if it's taken back by women who are more interested in loving men > >than>hating > >> them. > >> > > >> Feminism isn't about men at all; it isn't about loving or hating men. > >It's > >> simply about equal rights, and when women enforce the right they > >already have > >> at law, men scream "manhating". > > http://www.mens-network.org/femimyths.html > > Trick: Feminists just want equality. Feminism is about people. > > The anti-male nature of Feminists is so obvious, so huge, so > outrageous, that to discuss this myth would only dignify it > undeservedly. And we've all noticed that purveyors of this trick don't > object when the "Why should Feminism do anything for men" trick is > used. I wish I had time to respond to this now, it's one of the first intelligent and thought-provoking posts I've read. I'll read it over and think about it. Thanks. --- UseNet To RIME Gateway {at} 2/1/05 6:10:10 PM ---* Origin: MoonDog BBS, Brooklyn,NY, 718 692-2498, 1:278/230 (1:278/230) SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 5030/786 @PATH: 278/230 10/345 106/1 2000 633/267 |
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