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from: Gunner gunnernospam{at}ligh
date: 2005-03-31 00:50:00
subject: Re: There is NO FREEDOM Without Free Speech

On 30 Mar 2005 09:04:10 -0800, "John Templeton"
 wrote:

>
>Gunner wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:25:46 -0600, "SaPeIsMa"

>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Johnny Bravo"  wrote in message
>> >news:2r5i419c6p26eijp3av1g8a3i7710iogus{at}4ax.com...
>> >> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:47:43 +0200, "D.E."
 wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>I am not allowed to air my views with a bullhorn at 3 at night,
>not
>> >>>because I amnot allowed my views but because people
are sleeping.
>> >>
>> >>  Then that is a restriction on free speech.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Nope.
>> >It's a restriction on your right to bother your neighbors at 3 AM
>with a
>> >bullhorn.
>> >That has nothing to do with free speech.
>> >
>> >
>> >> "any restriction of speech is an affront to human
dignity and is
>> >> completely incompatible with basic human freedoms"
>> >>
>> >>  Why are you against basic human freedoms?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> While a persons right to free speech is unquestioned, one tends to
>> forget that ones rights to ignore or not be forced to listen is
>> equally valid.
>>
>> If at 3am, you choose to walk through the neighborhood with a
>bullhorn
>> and quote verses from Maos Little Red Book, feel free. However, if I
>> choose not to listen to it, and your soundwaves enter my property, I
>> will indeed take steps to make sure those soundwaves are not forced
>on
>> me.
>>
>> Those steps may involve blunt trauma or objects flying at many
>> thousands of feet a second.
>>
>> You forcing me to listen, is a very very strong abrogation of my
>> rights and indeed...it will be resisted.
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>>
>> Lathe Dementia. Recognized as one of the major sub-strains of the
>> all-consuming virus, Packratitis. Usual symptoms easily recognized
>> and normally is contracted for life. Can be very contagious.
>>                         michael
>
>Ouch, my rights! You have no right to touch them, they're mine! I loves
>mah gun...


Your rights end, as they say, at the tip of my nose.

Guns, among other things, insure that I dont take your rights away, or
you, mine.

Think of it as the MAD doctrine

Gunner


Lathe Dementia. Recognized as one of the major sub-strains of the
all-consuming virus, Packratitis. Usual symptoms easily recognized
and normally is contracted for life. Can be very contagious.
                        michael


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