John Templeton wrote:
> Hyerdahl wrote:
> > John Templeton wrote:
> > > Hyerdahl wrote:
> > > > Mr. F. Le Mur wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:14:27 -0800, "Society"
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"Ben" 
wrote in message
> > > > >
>news:1111687870.126829.148680{at}o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > >>>
> > > > > >>> John Templeton wrote:
> > > > > >>> >
> > > > > >>> > First of all, abortion isn't a
"fundy" law.
> >
> > Indeed.  Impeding an abortion is the fundy part. Not giving equal
> > rights to womenis ALWAYS fundy inspired by men who want control
over
> > women.
>
> Once again, this has nothing to do with equal rights - you already
lost
> that argument, remember?

No, and apparently the courts are on my side.  :-)  I'm ok with that.

And there's nothing wrong with committing murder for a moral
transgression?

Abortion is not murder.  Get your facts straight.  The courts and I
agree on that.


> > > > >
> > > > > "Not giving equal rights to men is ALWAYS fundy
> > > > > inspired by women who want control over men."
> >
> > ????  I don't see women with whips beating men who don't wear
beards
> in> Islam, do you?  It's patriarchal control of women that leads
sexist
> > assholes.  Let's just consider how George Bush is fighting
religious
> > fundamentalism abroad, while embracing it at home.
> >
>
> I didn't write this, so your reply is completely irrelevant to me.
> Congratulations on fucking up yet again.

I have replied to this post in its entirety and not specifically JUST
to what you have written.  So it appears that you are the 'fuck up'. So
name a law that takes away men's equal rights, dimwad.
> > >
>> Umm...parental custody laws, rape laws, domestic violenc>
laws...should
> > > I keep going?
> >
> > If a man is a parent, he has the same rights to be a primary parent
> as> a woman.
>
> He barely ever gets custody AND has to pay child support on top of
it.


If he has chosen, during the marriage, NOT to be a primary parent to
his child, he has made his choice already.  The courts can't pretend he
was a primary parent just to make him feel better at divorce.

>
> > If a man is raped he has the same legal recourse as a woman.
> >
> No one would believe him, and he'd be laughed at in his community,
> while the woman would be pitied and spoiled.

So you agree then that the laws on bodily rights and rape are the same
for both sexes.  Good, now we're getting somewhere.  Women don't rape
men, generically and that is why it's hard beign believed when a man
engages in intercourse with a woman three times and then yells rape.
:-)

> > If a man is domestically abused, he has the same rights a woman
has.
> >
> Once again, he most likely wouldn't be believed, unless he had
physical
> evidence, while the woman would.

You don't seem to understand the difference between having equal laws
and being believed.  The LAWS are equal.  Juries believe whom they will
believe.  That's what makes things equal.  If you want to convince
juries about DV against men, feel free to do so.

 Everyone here knows that much domestic abuse against men occurs, but
goes unreported because men are stronger than women and can tough it
out physically and emotionally.

IN my county the figures for abused men who come forward are 2.8.
Every month or so, the same two men complain about abuse, because their
wives kick them out.   Even tho no abuse has ever been found, the men
get DV vouchers and counseling.  The .8 represents any other man coming
into the system over the course of a year.  Here, abused men have
recourse, even when abuse is not proven.

 This includes minor things like scratching during arguments, throwing
> things, etc.

So you think that a shelter should be built for men who are scratched
during an argument?  :-)   Actual domestic abuse is much more serious
than that, and shelters are built for those who have faced serious
abuse issues.  There are also many homeless shelters for men.'

> > You need to do more than keep going, Steve;  you need to provide
some
> > meat on those bones.  Most men already know they have equal rights
at
> > law but also that men don't make the same social choices.
>
> If you want to believe I'm "Steve", that's fine. Not my fault you
don't
> believe there can be two people who think alike.

I certainly do believe there are people who "think alike" about issues
but not ones who post alike.  :-)  Your lack of writing style has given
you away.  You have few points to make that can be supported, much like
Steve Imparl.

 Because of biases and social judgement, the law is naturally slanted
against men when it> comes to crimes where a woman has power over him
(ie. rape, abuse).

I have no objection to grant money being provided for proven needs.  In
fact, a while back there was some kind of post showing a battered men's
shelter being built.  If there are enough men to warrant such, it can
be provided, with PROOF of the need.



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