From: "Rich"
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Don't ask me but your definition of crap includes standard compliant. =
It appears that you use the term "crap" for things you wish to whine =
about without regard to other factors like standards.
MsoNormal is the name of the HTML/CSS class. I'll refer you to the =
HTML and CSS standards for a description of how this works. The name =
doesn't matter. It could have been AdamIsAnIdiot and it would still be =
standards compliant. Assuming the presence of a class when not declared =
is a violation of the standards. Again, I'll refer you to the HTML and =
CSS standards for a description of how this works.
I was describing Word 2003 though the same applies to Word 2007. I =
give you the html element with the XML namespaces and you try to refute =
this by excerpting some other portion of a document. Are you dim? You =
fly totally off the handle with your comment
HTML 4 stuff is simply using no=20
namespace/default namespace i.e. the comment is completely irrelevant =
&=20
as usual a canard.
Look at the html element again and note that a default namespace is = provided.
Rich
"Ad" wrote in message =
news:45c6fec1{at}w3.nls.net...
Rich wrote:
> Good that you now acknowledge that the HTML is standards =
compliant. =20
Things can be standards compliant while still being crap & the Word =
HTML=20
is crap.
> I'm surprised you suggest non-compliance with a hack like "if no =
class=20
> set assume MsoNormal upon rendering". You're really being a =
hypocrite here.
> =20
Ummm no. What use is MsoNormal except to MS crap apps which expect it? =
Nothing else needs or uses it.
> Word 2003 uses XML namespaces as you should have noticed from the =
> HTML element
> =20
I'm not surprised you can't read because as usual you are purposefully =
deficient in your understanding of the english language ie.
"A) Which Word? We're mostly on 2003 with other versions dotted
about. "
Odd how you ignored that while wittering on about Word2k3
>=20
> xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"
> xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
>=20
> =20
> I'm surprised you haven't seen this if you have actually done any =
work=20
> on this content. Maybe you are just lying.
> =20
Nope it's you who's lying through your teeth as per Rich SOP.
e.g. a simple bit of text & a small table
Some html from word
Some more
And now some bold
and =
then=20
some italic and then some=20
underlined
Now a table
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Tab1
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Tab2
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Tab1-2
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Tab2-2
Look at that crap.
(A) Check all the MsoNormal bollox everywhere.
(B) Given that Word HTML can use classes etc to the degree that it=20
plasters msoNormal on just about anything then how come each s*dding =
td=20
needs the same crappy styling info e.g.
style=3D'width=3D284 valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:213.05pt;border:solid =
windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt=20
0cm 5.4pt'
Why not then have a CSS section called "td.Mso" or whatever
for table you have :
table.MsoNormalTable which contains all the style info for a Word-ML =
table but then to moment you get into something which will repeat i.e. =
will take up far more text than table.......you fall back to slapping =
in=20
tons of element specific styling which turns out not to be element=20
specific i.e. every td has the same styling info applied to it.
i.e. there is no consistency or logic applied to the HTML, sometimes=20
it's class based css, other times it's direct inclusion of a style=20
attribute. There is no reason for this apart from a slipshod approach=20
probably tied to delivery dates & "it works so ship it" mentality.
Also note how you comment wrt
"Word 2003 uses XML namespaces as you should have noticed from the =
HTML=20
element" is also total crap as all the HTML 4 stuff is simply using no =
namespace/default namespace i.e. the comment is completely irrelevant =
&=20
as usual a canard.
Adam
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Don't ask
me but your =
definition of=20
crap includes standard compliant. It appears that you use the
term = "crap"=20
for things you wish to whine about without regard to other factors like=20
standards.
MsoNormal
is the name of =
the HTML/CSS=20
class. I'll refer you to the HTML and CSS standards for a =
description of=20
how this works. The name doesn't matter. It could have
been=20 AdamIsAnIdiot and it would still be standards compliant.
Assuming = the=20
presence of a class when not declared is a violation of the = standards. =20
Again, I'll refer you to the HTML and CSS standards for a description of = how=20
this works.
I was
describing Word 2003 =
though the=20
same applies to Word 2007. I give you the html element with the = XML=20
namespaces and you try to refute this by excerpting some other portion = of a=20
document. Are you dim? You fly totally off the handle
with = your=20
comment
HTML 4 stuff is simply using no namespace/default =
namespace i.e.=20
the comment is completely irrelevant & as usual a=20
canard.
Look at the html element again
and note =
that a=20
default namespace is provided.
Rich
"Ad" <Dobbin{at}theStablesC=">mailto:Dobbin{at}theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">Dobbin{at}theStablesC=
loseToTheAirport.com>=20
wrote in message news:45c6fec1{at}w3.nls.net...Ri=
ch=20
wrote:> Good that you now
acknowledge that =
the HTML=20
is standards compliant. Things can be standards =
compliant while=20
still being crap & the Word HTML is
crap.> I'm=20
surprised you suggest non-compliance with a hack like "if no class =
>=20
set assume MsoNormal upon rendering". You're really being a =
hypocrite=20
here.> Ummm no. What use
is MsoNormal except to =
MS crap=20
apps which expect it? Nothing else needs or uses=20
it.> Word 2003
uses XML namespaces as you =
should=20
have noticed from the > HTML
element> I'm =
not=20
surprised you can't read because as usual you are purposefully =
deficient=20
in your understanding of the english language
ie."A) Which =
Word? We're=20
mostly on 2003 with other versions =
dotted =20
about. "Odd how you ignored that while wittering
on about=20
Word2k3>
> <html=20
=
xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"> &n=
bsp; =20
=
xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"> &nbs=
p; =20
xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40<" target="new">http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40<=">http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40<=
/A>">>=20
> > I'm surprised you haven't
seen this if you =
have=20
actually done any work > on this content.
Maybe you are =
just=20
lying.> Nope it's you
who's lying through your =
teeth as=20
per Rich SOP.e.g. a simple bit of text & a small=20
table<div
class=3DSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Some=20
html from word</p><p=20
=
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>&=
lt;p=20
class=3DMsoNormal>Some
more</p><p=20
=
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>&=
lt;p=20
class=3DMsoNormal>And now some <span
class=3DGramE><b=20
style=3D'mso-bidi-font-weight:normal'>bold =
</b><span=20
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>and</span> then =
some=20
<istyle=3D'mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>italic</i>
and =
then some=20
<u>underlined</u></p><p=20
=
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>&=
lt;p=20
=
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>&=
lt;p=20
class=3DMsoNormal>Now a table
</p><p=20
=
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>&=
lt;table=20
class=3DMsoTableGrid border=3D1 cellspacing=3D0 =
cellpadding=3D0 =20
style=3D'border-collapse:collapse;border:none;mso-border-alt:solid=20
windowtext .5pt; =
mso-yfti-tbllook:480;mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt=20
0cm 5.4pt;mso-border-insideh: .5pt solid=20
windowtext;mso-border-insidev:.5pt solid windowtext'> =
<tr=20
style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:0;mso-yfti-firstrow:yes'>
=
<td=20
width=3D284 valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:213.05pt;border:solid =
windowtext=20
1.0pt; mso-border-alt:solid windowtext =
.5pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt=20
0cm 5.4pt'> <p=20
class=3DMsoNormal>Tab1</p> =
</td> =20
<td width=3D284 valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:213.05pt;border:solid =
windowtext=20
1.0pt; border-left:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid =
windowtext=20
.5pt;mso-border-alt: solid windowtext =
.5pt;padding:0cm=20
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt'> <p=20
class=3DMsoNormal>Tab2</p> =
</td> =20
</tr> <tr=20
style=3D'mso-yfti-irow:1;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes'>
=
<td=20
width=3D284 valign=3Dtop style=3D'width:213.05pt;border:solid =
windowtext=20
1.0pt; border-top:none;mso-border-top-alt:solid =
windowtext=20
.5pt;mso-border-alt:solid windowtext
.5pt; =
padding:0cm=20
5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt'> <p=20
class=3DMsoNormal>Tab1-2</p> =20
</td> <td width=3D284
valign=3Dtop=20
=
style=3D'width:213.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:
=
none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:solid =
windowtext=20
1.0pt; mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext=20
.5pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid windowtext
.5pt; =20
mso-border-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:0cm 5.4pt 0cm=20
5.4pt'> <p=20
class=3DMsoNormal>Tab2-2</p> =
</td> =20
</tr></table>Look
at that crap.(A) =
Check all=20
the MsoNormal bollox everywhere.(B) Given that Word HTML can use =
classes=20
etc to the degree that it plasters msoNormal on just about =
anything then=20
how come each s*dding td needs the same crappy styling info=20
e.g.style=3D'width=3D284 valign=3Dtop =
style=3D'width:213.05pt;border:solid=20
windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-alt:solid windowtext .5pt;padding:0cm =
5.4pt=20
0cm 5.4pt'Why not then have a CSS section
called "td.Mso" =
or=20
whateverfor table you have : =
table.MsoNormalTable which=20
contains all the style info for a Word-ML table but then to moment =
you get=20
into something which will repeat i.e. will take up far more text =
than=20
table.......you fall back to slapping in tons of element specific =
styling=20
which turns out not to be element specific i.e. every td has the =
same=20
styling info applied to it.i.e. there is no consistency or =
logic=20
applied to the HTML, sometimes it's class based css, other times =
it's=20
direct inclusion of a style attribute. There is no reason for this =
apart=20
from a slipshod approach probably tied to delivery dates
& "it =
works=20
so ship it" mentality.Also note how
you comment =
wrt"Word=20
2003 uses XML namespaces as you should have noticed from the HTML =
element"=20
is also total crap as all the HTML 4 stuff is simply using no=20
namespace/default namespace i.e. the comment is completely =
irrelevant=20
& as usual a =
canard.Adam
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