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   I believe it is very old news that they do not.

   Note that dell makes money selling space on the computers they sell.  =
For example, see =
http://www.channelinsider.com/article/Dell+and+Google+Team+Up/179331_1.as=
px.  This is just one example how you cost dell money by not letting = them
make money.  The estimate is between $5 and $10 per computer for = this
just the google software.  You also need to consider everything = else dell
installs or advertises.  Folks that have no clue like to point = fingers at
Microsoft because it is popular and they don't have to think. =
 Those that no better realize the pricing of systems from dell and other =
vendors is a lot more complex.

Rich

  "Gary Britt"  wrote
in message =
news:45b7ab72$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Does Dell pay a licensing or other fee to Microsoft on machines they =
ship=20
  without Windows?  Does Dell's contracts with Microsoft require a fee =
for=20
  every computer sold irrespective of whether Windows is sold with the =
machine?

  Gary

  Rich wrote:
  >    These aren't new.  Dell has been offering these for a while.
  > =20
  >    As for a supposed savings, I priced an E520 from there and an=20
  > otherwise identical one with Windows XP Media Center and a free =
upgrade=20
  > to Windows Vista.  The system with freedos was $10 cheaper.  Dell=20
  > supports the system with Windows and it will support it with =
freedos. =20
  > It doesn't support it with linux or other non-dell installed OS.
  > =20
  > Rich
  > =20
  >=20
  >     "Ad"      > wrote in =
message
  >     news:45b733b4$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >     Blimey are Dell turning into knowing accomplices of pirates?
  >=20
  >     =
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3Dus&cs=3D=
19&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs
  >     =
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3Dus&cs=3D=
19&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs>
  >=20
  >     "Are you looking for a desktop on which you can run Linux=AE  or =
other
  >     open-source operating systems? Look no further!
  >=20
  >     Dell's new open-source n Series desktop solution provides =
customers
  >     with
  >     a DimensionTM  E520, E521 or C521 desktop without an installed =
or
  >     included Microsoft=AE  operating system. With the n Series =
desktop,
  >     customers have the flexibility to install an alternative =
operating
  >     system (such as a version of Linux=AE ), and help reduce the =
price of
  >     this
  >     system. In addition, the n Series desktop comes with a =
non-formatted
  >     hard drive ready for your custom installation. Dell's n Series =
desktop
  >     ships with a copy of FreeDosTM , an open-source operating system
  >     that is
  >     ready to install. "
  >=20
  >=20
  >=20
  >     Adam
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   I believe
it is very old =
news that=20
they do not.
 
   Note that
dell makes money =
selling=20
space on the computers they sell.  For example, see http://www.channelinsider.com/article/Dell+and+Google+Team+Up/179=
331_1.aspx">http://www.channelinsider.com/article/Dell+and+Google+Team+Up=
/179331_1.aspx. =20
This is just one example how you cost dell money by not letting them = make=20
money.  The estimate is between $5 and $10 per computer for this =
just the=20
google software.  You also need to consider everything else dell =
installs=20
or advertises.  Folks that have no clue like to point fingers at =
Microsoft=20
because it is popular and they don't have to think.  Those that no
= better=20
realize the pricing of systems from dell and other vendors is a lot more =

complex.
 
Rich
 

  "Gary Britt" <GaryNOSPAMBritt{at}genera=">mailto:GaryNOSPAMBritt{at}generalcogster.com">GaryNOSPAMBritt{at}genera=
lcogster.com>=20
  wrote in message news:45b7ab72$1{at}w3.nls.net...Does=20
  Dell pay a licensing or other fee to Microsoft on machines they ship=20
  without Windows?  Does Dell's contracts with Microsoft =
require a fee=20
  for every computer sold irrespective of whether Windows is sold =
with the=20
  machine?GaryRich
wrote:>    =
These aren't=20
  new.  Dell has been offering these for a
while.> =20
  >    As for a supposed
savings, I priced an E520 =
from=20
  there and an > otherwise identical one with Windows XP Media =
Center and=20
  a free upgrade > to Windows Vista.  The system with =
freedos was=20
  $10 cheaper.  Dell > supports the system with
Windows and =
it will=20
  support it with freedos.  > It doesn't support it with =
linux or=20
  other non-dell installed OS.> 
> Rich>  =

  >
>     "Ad"
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loseToTheAirport.com>    =20
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tablesCloseToTheAirport.com>>=20
  wrote in message>     news:45b733b4$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>    =20
  Blimey are Dell turning into knowing accomplices of pirates?>=20
  >     http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3D=
us&cs=3D19&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs">http://www.dell.com/content/topics=
/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3Dus&cs=3D19&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs=
>    =20
  <http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3D=
us&cs=3D19&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs">http://www.dell.com/content/topics=
/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3Dus&cs=3D19&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs=
>>=20
  >     "Are you
looking for a desktop on =
which you=20
  can run Linux=AE  or
other>     =
open-source=20
  operating systems? Look no further!> =
>    =20
  Dell's new open-source n Series desktop solution provides=20
  customers>     =
with>    =20
  a DimensionTM  E520, E521 or C521 desktop without an installed=20
  or>     included
Microsoft=AE  =
operating system.=20
  With the n Series
desktop,>    
customers =
have the=20
  flexibility to install an alternative=20
  operating>    
system (such as a version of =
Linux=AE=20
  ), and help reduce the price
of>    =20
  this>     system. In
addition, the n Series =
desktop=20
  comes with a
non-formatted>    
hard drive =
ready=20
  for your custom installation. Dell's n Series=20
  desktop>     ships
with a copy of FreeDosTM =
, an=20
  open-source operating
system>     that=20
  is>     ready to
install. "> =
>=20
  > >     =
Adam

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