From: "Rich" 

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   OneCare.  We discussed it here.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45bcd72e$3{at}w3.nls.net...
  I don't know "OneCare" what was it's previous name?

  Anyway, I got an error message the other day from one of my apps, it =
said it=20
  couldn't modify the windows firewall (because I've disabled it) which =
I=20
  thought was pretty funny. IMO apps are not supposed to change my =
firewall=20
  settings, I mean what other reason is there to run a firewall when I'm =

  sitting behind a NAT device..

  Geo.

  "Rich"  wrote in message news:45bc1d82$1{at}w3.nls.net...
     No.  Microsoft has provided an outbound firewall in various forms =
for=20
  years.  Windows Live OneCare and Windows Vista both provide a consumer =
level=20
  one.  Windows Vista provides enterprise level features as well in the =
same=20
  firewall.  Still, except for anal folks like some of those here, most =
people=20
  don't really use these at least not how described here.

     We discussed the OneCare outbound filtering in detail earlier.  You =
can=20
  go back and look it up.  I'm sure you put it out of your mind because =
you=20
  prefer to believe what you want to.

     I wouldn't trust any outbound filtering for malware on an infected=20
  machine.  The infected machine enforces what to allow or not and since =
the=20
  machine is infected you can't trust it.  I could trust one to =
implement=20
  policy for non-malicious applications.

     Your repeated phone home noise is as boring as it is bogus.  Find=20
  something interesting and relevant to say instead.

  Rich


    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45bc195e{at}w3.nls.net...
    Exactly, why do we need an outbound firewall when we have the built =
in 10
    baby per second law MS has forced on vista users.. Lets software =
phone=20
  home
    and keeps the baby count down, the perfect solution to a nonexistent
    requirement.

    Geo.

    "Rich"  wrote in message news:45bc1a20{at}w3.nls.net...
       It isn't birth control methods being rated as it ignores how the=20
  firewall
    protects against incoming traffic, the primary purpose for which =
most=20
  people
    want and use a firewall.  The ratings here are those for once =
pregnant,=20
  how
    well do you keep the baby from escaping.

    Rich

      "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:45bc18fa$1{at}w3.nls.net...
      I have to enable cookies to view their firewall ratings? This is =
sort of
      like a site saying you have to have unprotected sex with us before =
you=20
  can
      see how we rate birth control methods..

      Geo.

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OneCare.  We =
discussed it=20
here.
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:45bcd72e$3{at}w3.nls.net...I=20
  don't know "OneCare" what was it's previous
name?Anyway, I got =
an=20
  error message the other day from one of my apps, it said it =
couldn't=20
  modify the windows firewall (because I've disabled it) which I =
thought was=20
  pretty funny. IMO apps are not supposed to change my firewall =
settings, I=20
  mean what other reason is there to run a firewall when I'm sitting =
behind=20
  a NAT
device..Geo."Rich"
<{at}> wrote in message news:45bc1d82$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
  =20
  No.  Microsoft has provided an outbound firewall in various forms =
for=20
  years.  Windows Live OneCare and Windows Vista both provide a =

  consumer level one.  Windows Vista provides enterprise level =
features=20
  as well in the same firewall.  Still, except for anal folks =
like some=20
  of those here, most people don't really use these at least not how =

  described here.   We discussed the
OneCare outbound=20
  filtering in detail earlier.  You can go back and look it =
up. =20
  I'm sure you put it out of your mind because you prefer to believe =
what=20
  you want to.   I wouldn't trust any
outbound =
filtering for=20
  malware on an infected machine.  The infected machine =
enforces what=20
  to allow or not and since the machine is infected you can't trust=20
  it.  I could trust one to implement policy for non-malicious=20
  applications.   Your repeated phone
home noise is as =
boring=20
  as it is bogus.  Find something interesting and relevant to =
say=20
  instead.Rich 
"Geo." <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45bc195e{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;=20
  Exactly, why do we need an outbound firewall when we have the built in =

  10  baby per second law MS has forced on vista users.. Lets =
software=20
  phone home  and keeps the baby count down,
the perfect =
solution=20
  to a nonexistent  requirement.  =
Geo. =20
  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:45bc1a20{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;   =20
  It isn't birth control methods being rated as it ignores how the=20
  firewall  protects against incoming traffic,
the primary =
purpose=20
  for which most people  want and use a
firewall.  The =
ratings=20
  here are those for once pregnant, how  well
do you keep =
the baby=20
  from escaping. 
Rich    "Geo." =
<georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:45bc18fa$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
   =20
  I have to enable cookies to view their firewall ratings? This is sort=20
  of    like a site saying you have to have =
unprotected sex=20
  with us before you can   
see how we rate birth =
control=20
  methods..    =
Geo.

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