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from: `hyerdahl` hyerdahl3{at}aol
date: 2005-03-30 16:49:00
subject: Re: No More Mr. Nice Guy: The Rules.

mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> Hyerdahl wrote:
> > Mark Sobolewski wrote:
> > > In article ,
> > >  "Society"  wrote:
> > >
> > > >    Want the explanation of the nice-guy vs. bad-boy
> > > >    phenomenon? It isn't that women aren't attracted
> > > >    to "nice guys" it's that we're not
attracted to those
> > > >    overly agreeable puppy dog kind of men. Be nice --
> > > >    remember our birthdays, respect our parents,
> > > >    be kind to fluffy woodland creatures -- but
> > > >    remember that spineless isn't sexy.
> >
> > I don't know ANY women who want men who forget their birthdays, but
I
> > also suggest that women don't want men who don't OWN their own
> > personality.  IOW, women don't want 'yes men'; they want men who
tend
> > to agree with their view of life.  Agreement means they agree of
> their> own volition.  :-)
>
> Yes men usually will say that they agree of their own violation. :-)

Mark's attempt at humour?
>
> Do you really think about what you write?  You prove my point below:
>
> > (edit)
> > >> Out of thousands of wasted dollars and miles of 8mm film,
> > > one neat scene did come out of the 90's sitcom
> > > "Northern Exposure".
> > >
> > > A young men was asking an old man for advice after
> > > Janine Turner played a mind game with him.  The old
> > > man explained:  "Women aren't like us.  They have all this
> > > right brain activity.  You know when you get mad
> > > and can't think?  That's what they live in all the time!"
> > >
> > > "So you mean they're in a constant rage?"
> > "yes">
> > >
> > I can't really speak to the issue of "constant rage" in
women, but
> from> > the crime rates it appears that more men than women are
enraged.
>
> You mean the same crime rates that show that African Americans
> commit violent crime 10 times more against whites than vice-versa?

I don't think the color of the skin matters;  if you commit a crime you
do the time, no?

> > If women FEEL rage, they seem to be handling it fairly well.
>
> Yeah, it's neat that "neonates" are protected from
> their primary caregivers killing them via legal
> abandonment.

There is no legal abandonment, Mark, but there are laws to protect
newly delivered neonates, who are either returned to their mothers, or
adopted, a good outcome for all concerned.  Mark doesn't seem to admire
the fact that gestating women are dissimilarly situated to men and
other women.
Too bad.

>
 As to the tv relationship above, they became friends with benefits, I
believe. Neither ended up sacrificing one bit of themselves to the
other.
>
> I saw the 15 minutes or so of this episode totally by accident
> and then got bored to tears and changed the channel and never watched
it again.

I liked it, but not as much as Seinfeld.
>
> For someone who claims to have traveled to Australia for
> months at a time and party with Internationals daily,
> you sure do spend a lot of time watching trash TV. :-)

Actually, I don't party with ANYONE daily.  :-)  I have watched more tv
this year than in past years.  Altho, I don't think I watch as much as
most Americans.  Right now, I enjoy Bill Maher,Medium, West Wing, and
when telling the truth :-) Gilmore Girls.  :-)  I mostly watch news
shows when I'm being a nethead.

There was an interesting episode where an old gf came to Alaska and she
> wanted marriage, but HE WANTED his friend with benefits.
>
> Janine Turner was kind of the "Lindsay Lohan" of the 90's.
> She got tons of coverage.  She kind of typified the 90's
> woman for me: A bit hostile and ambivalent towards men
> (at least in the roles she played) and had her hair cut
> in this short dykey haircut.  She made a car commercial
> just as the Y2K was coming around where she was rejecting
> men who didn't drive a decent enough car (that commercial
> didn't last for long) and then she disappeared for 4 years.
> She just did some unremarkable video.

I don't know much about her career;  I'm really not into celebrities
and would not likely cross the street to meet one of them.  Ok, perhaps
for Bill Maher.  :-)
>

> Who knows?  I don't think actors necessarily match their
> screen personas (by definition.)  Anyways, good luck to her.

Sure.  I don't think folks match their screen persona either.  Bill
Maher, as left wing as he is, still gets in trouble with women now and
again.  :-)  I think of him much the same way as I think of Bll
Clinton; I trust him with my ________________(country, or humour) but I
wouldn't trust them with my daughter, if I had one.


>
> regards,
> Mark Sobolewski



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