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echo: pol_inc
to: Bob Ackley
from: Bob Klahn
date: 2010-05-09 14:52:00
subject: Citizens United ruling

DD>> How about understanding that a "corporate person" is a legal
 DD>> fiction limiting liability of the actual persons involved
 DD>> in that corporation. That however is not guaranteed ... as
 DD>> has been learned by several "robber barons" who went bust
 DD>> or ripped off their patrons.

 BA> It's not a legal fiction, a corporation is in fact an
 BA> 'artificial person' in law.  And it is possible to pierce
 BA> that corporate veil to identify and if need be get at the
 BA> owners.

 That last is irrelevant. And it is a legal fiction. An
 artificial person is a legal fiction.

 ...

 BA> Actually, companies as such existed before the US was
 BA> founded.  Two things in particular differentiate the
 BA> corporate 'person' from a human; one is that the corporate
 BA> person cannot vote, another is that the corporate person
 BA> can exist forever ("in perpetuity" is the usual
 BA> terminology).

 And the third was the corporate person was not allowed to
 promote candidates. That should be reinstated. A corporation is
 not a person, no matter how it is treated for business
 convenience.

 DD>> And thus should not be guaranteed the protections granted to
 DD>> individual human citizens ... especially since a
 DD>> corporation cannot be a citizen, is not eligible to vote
 DD>> (altho with the recent mis-guided decision of the supremes
 DD>> it may be able to buy votes), and cannot be elected to
 DD>> office.

 BA> Non corporate entities also buy politicians.  The decision

 Yep. That doesn't change the above.

 BA> you disagree with merely levels the field.  Since all

 Nope. Opening the field to more corruption is not leveling the
 field.

 BA> politicians in this country are bought and paid for, I'd
 BA> just like to know just who owns which politicians.

 With a corporation that can be hard to do. And knowing doesn't
 help if you can't do anything about it.



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