Frits Spieker,

29-Sep-99 21:53:02, Frits Spieker wrote to Jan Danielsson
 FS> Monday September 27 1999: Jan Danielsson to Frits Spieker.
          Subject: It's over. Period.

Notice I've changed the Subject.

 FS> So why is it then that people do still see Brad as the lying
 FS> s.o.b. instead of this nice character Stippeltje

For the same reason some people see you as a SOB.  Your choice of words and
where to say them is inappropriate.  You started a thread in this echo that
could easily be assumed to be sensationalism and Microsoft FUD, just judging
from the inappropriate Subject.  You based that on another msg by Brad Wardell
that used the OS/2 topic in an attempt to sell Microsoft software.  That's
about as close to speaking with a split tongue as you can get.

Would you like to know some of the effects your BS has had on others?

My sister-in-law who is a new OS/2 user found your Subject thread alarming.
She was worried and wanted to know if that would effect her.  Granted some
people happen to worry more than others.  And some people like you
deliberately try to make others worry about nothing.  And then some people
like me have to take the time to set the record straight.  That's why IMO you
like Brad Wardell are in the SOB class.  "Nice characters" don't pull stunts
like you did.  No flame intended you deserve to know the answer to your
question.

Since your question was about Brad Wardell, I'll add an excerpt from the
Aurora Mailing List:
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 > Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:48:06 +0100
 > From: Duarte 
 > Subject: Selling Warp Server for E-Business

 > Hello my friends,

 > it seems that the latest announcement from Stardock, has already making
 > damages. i had made several orders from WSEB to some of my clients. Well
 > most of them are canceling those orders, i manage to cancel all the
 > orders i had with IBM with the exception for one. So you can say that
 > i'm stuck with one copy.

 > Does anybody wants to buy a copy of WSEB ?

 > It's still sealed, and it's in english.

 > best regards

 > Duarte
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BTW, if you want to apologize for your actions and the actions of Brad
Wardell, then you can start by buying WSeB from Duarte for $800.  Yeah right
that is a lot less than the retail price, so I guess he is taking a loss.  He
surely lost potential profits on the other clients that cancelled orders for
WSeB.  No doubt that BS Brad Wardell started has had an adverse effect on
OS/2.  That's why people see him as a SOB.

Personally I'm really fed up with these repetitive "chicken little" type FUD
announcements like you made in this echo.  It's not that I don't like you (no
flame intended), it's that I don't like what you did.  It was inappropriate.
I'm really very sorry for you that you didn't understand why people consider
Brad Wardell to be a SOB.  I'm really sorry that you didn't understand why
people consider you to be a SOB.  Both of you did things to earn a very bad
reputation.

If what Brad Wardell and you did was intended to support and promote OS/2,
then no wonder IBM didn't accept his offer.  Look at the effects.

If you and those like you who have pushed that damaging Subject thread way
past any reasonable limit, would like to do me and most of the others in this
echo a big favor, then drop that Subject thread.  Granted it's not over, but I
wish it was.

     Thanks and Good Luck,        Andy Roberts
                                  andy@shentel.net
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