To: trekcreative{at}yahoogroups.com
From: DarkHrzn91701{at}aol.com
Reply-To: trekcreative{at}yahoogroups.com

In a message dated 7/18/03 12:54:53 PM CDT, jayphailey{at}tic1.net writes:
>
> >The anarchist PoV is a weird one for humans in any case as we are a
>  >social pack creature, and prone to politics even at the family scale.
>  > Anarchists are in denial about it.
>  >
>  >--
>  >Garry   AKA   -Phoenix-   Rising Above the Flames
>
>
>  It depends on who you ask.  Some anarchists are simply
>  anti-government and don't care what sort of fan-club,
>  social society, or protest group you form, as long as you
>  acknowledge that no group, no matter its constituency, has
>  the right to impose it's group on any one.

But I think that falls within Garry's concept of humans being pack animals.
 The pack always imposes its will on the members, otherwise it couldn't
function as the pack.  If we expand the definition of "the Pack"
to include a state, a country, or the species, then the pack would indeed
impose its will on all those members.

For me the question isn't "is the will of the larger society imposed
on it's members?", the larger society has to impose its will otherwise
you have the law of the jungle at work, but "to what degree is that
will imposed?"

I agree with Garry.  I think most anarchists are in denial.  I see them as
simply wanting to destroy the institutions and organizations at hand
without any sense or care as to what the consequences might be.

>  Garry's right.  We are social animals.  Could it be that our
>  inbuilt methods of organizing action are fine and we don't
>  *need* permanent organizations
>   written in stone?
>
>  Jay ~Meow!~

I'd be willing to accept that if every so often some group of nuts didn't
organize themselves into the Klan, Neo-Nazis, street gangs, Yahweh Ben
Yahweh, etc.  Our inbuilt methods of organizing are amoral at best.  The
permanent organizations (or perhaps the "meta-organizations") can
keep the smaller ones from getting too dangerous to the life and well being
of the members of the society as a whole.

-Michael Gray
Star Trek: Dark Horizon
http://hometown.aol.com/darkhrzn91701/main.htm

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