"Ian"  wrote in message
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> Philip Lewis wrote:
>> "Ian"  wrote in message
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>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4250315.stm
>> >
>> > "Ms Fiorina, one of America's most powerful
businesswomen, said she
> was
>> > leaving after a dispute with the company's board over future
> strategy"
>> >
>> > Surely that was "once one of..."
>> >
>> > However, I don't regret never getting involved in the
>> > bashing that can be the boardroom. It's pretty egointense
>> > in there.
>> >
>> > Here she is, poor woman, just because she caused HP's shares to
> halve
>> > their value in two years, and then fucked the company so it's not
> worth
>> > much more than its real-estate, and she's out like that. She's only
> had
>
> http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2005/02/10/high_profile_low_returns/
>
> "Andrew Neff of Bear Stearns estimates Hewlett-Packard is trading near
> its break-up value and the stock could tumble to around $16 if the
> company isn't split into pieces."
>
>> > 5 and a half years to try and pick up the mess she's caused, I
> think
>> > she should be given more time. And don't you think the stock market
> is
>> > just so competitive eh? Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could win?
> It's
>> > discrimination you know, against women.
>> >
>> > Business is just so unfair to the people who can't cut it, isn't
> it? I
>> > think business should be made more friendly to women, and people
> who
>> > aren't very good. Someone should pass a law to make it illegal to
>> > compete with a company where there's a female CEO who makes really
>> > stupid decisions, like buy into ultracompetive IT sectors in a bear
>> > market.
>> >
>> > So, looking forward, what's going to happen to HP, now that she's
>> > completely fucked it? Epson could pick up the printer market, if it
>> > wasn't for HP putting stupid device drivers on their allinone
> network
>> > printers that fuck up the most commonly used operating system in
> the
>> > world, XP. Was that another Fiaronoism?
>> >
>> > Carly :  Noun. "Fuck up" - To do a Carly.
>> >
>> DEC was fucked --> Compaq gobbled it up, then Compaq was fucked--->HP
>
>> gobbled it up, then HP was fucked (internal management cultures
>> characterised by multiple little fiefdoms with little awareness of
> the 'big
>> picture')!! What happened to Lord Hanson - that guy wasn't
> sentimental or
>> hampered by the infinitely finessed finer details of fluffy human
> resource
>> management. If a company was bloated and ineficient his cure wasn't
> to try
>> and 'reform' the incumbent 'business culture' - mass sackings
> sometimes
>> decimating HQ staff by 90% or more and replacing them with far fewer
> but
>> EFFECTIVE replacements made that guy a packet!!!
>
>
> Ironic really, VMS was outstanding, OpenVMS more so, and the Alpha
> servers made up for their difference in architecture to the 11/780 -
> 8700 series with brute force, the 785s were an excellent box, context
> switch with a single instruction etc. I wrote loads of VAX Macro, and
> VAX TPU in my day but the Unix freeware wankers hated it because it was
> too easy to read the code. Unix would never have made it if they'd hard
> to charge for it. Fortunately I wrote quite a bit of unix shit too, or
> I'd have been unemployable.
>
> Same thing with Ingres versus Oracle, execution plans that operated
> differently based on the order of the tables in the join. It's all this
> side effect programming, it's just loved by developers who like to play
> around then fuck off out the building a leave a mess. Poor management
> letting them play causes half of all software failure, the other half
> being market share.
>
> Ada95 versus the laughable shitty embarrassment that is c++. The list
> of superior products murdered by crap because of high IQ people wanting
> to play rather than engineer is endless.
>
> It's amazing how much competitive advantage you have with free labour
> and when you're up against bigoted developers.

Pretty good analysis - I think most of the problem heralded from management
not having a fucking clue about IT and therefore were led by the nose by
middle management wankers who were all too keen on swallowing 'buzzword'
dictionaries so that they could bamboozle their bosses into thinking they
actually knew what they were about. Still it does leave room for smaller
(but all the more lean and mean!) outfits to have a go where the
founders(bosses) are actually more savvy than those they hire to do the
drudge work.

Phil



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