SK> HolySmoke, for instance, went a good two years (it's hey-day, to me) a
SK> while back with great and interesting debate between theists and
SK> atheists. ALL with a "Flame attitude". And it went grandly! ANYTHING
SK> could be said and people got over it. And TOPICS were followed up on.

When I arrived in Holy Smoke, Karl Schneider was accusing everyone who
disagreed with him of having sex with animals (he had a small coterie of
nobodies whose names evade me).  Martin Goldberg was posting under other
people's names - namely, mine.  Don Martin was sashaying around like the old
queen he is trying to convince everyone he is a British spinster.  You
popped in every six months or so, drunk belligerent, calling even people who
agreed with you names, much like the stuttering half wit Danny Ceppa.
Sauer, Quarrella, Chrinside, Haglund and bunch of other hangers on were
desperately sucking up to the regulars trying to get their affection.  Judy
Bandsma was the only one in that sordid group I had an ounce of respect
for - because she would tell the lot of you to get fucked when you deserved
it.  Ain't that right, Sauer?

SK> Then the right-wingers invaded.

SK> Debate degraded to nothing. Participation faded.

When John Wilson posted under a pseudonym (Thelema?), he and I had some
pretty good religious discussions.  You drunks and half wits would watch
until you finally lost track of what we were talking about, then weigh in
with some drunken nonsense designed to get the discussion back where you
wanted it - on personal slurs.  You did this because you know even less
about religion than you do about being a normal human beings.

You are right about one thing, though - participation in Holy Smoke faded;
it faded because Quarrella, in an effort to gain the favorable attention of
people he respected - namely Martin and Haglund, started banning people.  He
banned Earl Croasmun literally for nothing.  He banned me.  And his echo
died for it.

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