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I wrote:
>>  The stated policy of HCI WAS to remove all guns from private
hands. >>
---Fletcheror  wrote: 
> This is the same sort of thing I hear consistantly. HCI or whomever
had or has
> a secret agenda, but the actual documents stating illegal objectives
never
> seem to appear. 
> dtf
Dean,
I never said that HCI had illegal objectives, although
I can say that about the church of Hubbardites. To the
best of my recollection, HCI announced openly that guns
were evil, unnecessary, and an impediment to civilized
society at the time the group was founded. That may or
may not be the ultimate goal at the present time, but 
you have offered no proof that it isn't.
I said that it is rare for any group which depends on
contributions from the public to outline anything but
its least controversial goals in mass market advertising.
The wording of the HCI web page would seem reasonable by
definition. All advertising should sound reasonable, if it
didn't, then the person who wrote it should be reassigned or
fired. I don't give any corporation credit for 'reasonable'
advertising. You seem to think that reasonable advertising
makes HCI inherently good, so I provided a counterexample
of a group with reasonable advertising and incredibly evil
intentions (Cult of Scientology) to show that your illogical
thinking can lead to erroneous conclusions. I do not have 
sufficient evidence to claim that HCI is evil, but you have
not presented credible evidence to the contrary, so I refuted
your evidence with logic.
I also implied that as a political action group run by
paid employees, it would always have to have something
to be politically active about, or the people who run it
would be out of work. Let's say that they achieve everything
outlined on the web page, what will they do next, close 
down their place of employment?? I think it is more likely
that they will announce that crime still exists, and they
need more money to fight for more laws. I also expect that
after all the firearms are gone, they would go after airguns,
and then they will go after toys that look like guns. If there
was nothing to fight against, the soldiers of the RKBA war
would have to find productive employment, so I can guarantee
that they will always find another battle to fight, until the
battles become so inherently silly that the monetary 
contributions from the public cease. 
I did once work for a grass-roots PAC, soliciting contributions
from the public, I should have been ashamed of myself at the
time. We were supposed to fight homelessness. What we did was
attempt to steal real estate from absentee owners by helping
bums illegally break in and setting them up as squatters.
If you think the soliciting materials spelled that out,
you're dumber than the airheads I worked for that week.
(Yep, that was the shortest-lived job I ever held, but it
went a long way toward eliminating my youthful naivete.) 
Mitch Haley.
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