> Very true in my day, and E5 was really a sweet spot.  Not high enough to
 > get a lot of this management bull, but high enough to avoid messcooking. :)

 CS> It's still a sweet spot .  Always has been.

I did take the test for 1st class, but knew it would only be for about 2 
months until I got out.  :)  As it turned out I was released before it 
became effective.

 CS> Today, that O1 ensign is tasked pronably less overall than an E6 'with
 CS> a clue' and depending on job, less than the Chief.

 CS> To make sense of this, I'd have to describe years and years of my
 CS> taskings. It might bore you so let me know if you (or another) are
 CS> curious.  Dont get the idea the officers dont work, they do.  They just
 CS> generally are tasked in ways now you may not expect. We even stand the
 CS> same watches often on the bridge or CIC or if engineering, same ones
 CS> they do there.

I doubt if a RMC or a CTC from my day could even find the bridge, let alone 
stand a watch there.  :)  Are you saying that you, while on the bridge, had 
the same 'power' as the OD - or were you THE OD at the time?

 CS> CSOOW would be new to you and the first time I stood an 'Officer
 CS> watch'.  I was not the first enlisted to qualify for that watch, just
 CS> the first DPC to do it on a CVN.  (A male DPC did it almost a year
 CS> later and tried to crow the title but we laughed and told him he had to
 CS> change it to male as a female beat him).

The only thing that I can relate to in re to this is for years submarines 
had a title called 'chief of the boat.'  This was the senior enlisted man 
and he was near officer in responsibity etc, in fact I believe he could 
take command if certain situations arose?  (Not sure what these would be, 
but think it was possible?)


 > a cheap officer?   I may be wrong but I suspect those things you state
 > above were not done by a CPO of my day, but rather by officer types?

 CS> It blends now.  For another example, last 2 ships I was TRAINO or
 CS> 'listed as assistant traino as had an officer to help me' but only had
 CS> one effective officer assigned during that time.  On the one ship the
 CS> officer was so overloa ded, they taught me what they knew and left it
 CS> all to me (fair, he was overloaded and I was not) and on the other had
 CS> a good officer but he had no knowledge of the job.  He handled the few
 CS> aspects I didnt have time or inclination for and i did the bulk.  He
 CS> was *not* a bad person at all.  I liked him alot.  I suspect my work
 CS> hours freed him to do other things just like many a First Class has
 CS> freed me up to do other things.

I guess the question that comes to mind is the 'old' CPO doing this stuff, 
or is this just when you become Sr. or Master Chief?

 > the NCS, and maybe another 45 minutes after that to find a bunk so I could
 > get out of those blues and Peacoat.
 >
 > Meal wasn't a factor, believe me.  :)

 CS> Not a long enough flight!  Today, you can get a guy into Sasebo who'd
 CS> been on flights and train/bus rides for up to 23 hours and may not have
 CS> eaten for the last 17 of them.

Yeah, a bit different.  :)



 
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