Hi Phil,
On , you wrote me:

 PS> On Jan 05 2003  Michael Gothreau wrote to Phil Simpson:


 MG>>> Hmmmm  I help run one of the most orderly echoes in Fidonet,
 MG>>> where most users actually appreciate we enforce the rules, and

 PS> I call it gestapo tactics.

And I call that bullshit.

 PS>> That's a matter of opinion. I don't agree with your methods of
 PS>> moderating, but then again, that's just my opinion.

 MG>> My opinion is backed up by facts.  I get lots of people
 MG>> complaining about being Moderated, but not one person who did 
 MG>> not deserve it ever has complained. 

 PS> Your opinion is based on nothing but your opinion. Now that's a fact!
 PS> :)

No.  My opinion is born out by the facts: the echo is alive, well, and
orderly.  if you can do better, show me.

 MG>>> Yeah, well people who get Moderated often do bitch about it...

 PS>> I really don't remember moderating you in any of my echos. I
 PS>> don't remember you bitching either. The echos I /do/ moderate I 
 PS>> moderate in a hands off fashion. You are, IMO, far too 
 PS>> hands on.

 MG>> What was I supposed to do with wave after wave of asshole coming
 MG>> into the echo with no other intent rather than to dirupt the
 MG>> echo?

 PS> You's know about a wave of assholes, I'll give you that.

And I see you know about it too.

 MG>> That echo has rules for a reason.  If it did not have rules, it
 MG>> would just be another POLITICS echo and it would be redundant.
 MG>> Some users wanted an echo where personal attacks were not
 MG>> allowed, and Dan Ceppa and I gave it to them.  It takes 
 MG>> effort.

 PS> Takes nothing but pushing your weight around. Exactly what you two
 PS> do.

Bullshit.  Rules are infringed on and warnings go out, just like most echoes.

 PS>>  But that's my opinion, I also just lurk in /your/ echo, 
 PS>> I'm afraid to open my
 PS>> mouth for fear you will strike me with a lightening bolt or 
 PS>> worse. :)

 MG>> You are being an idiot.  I wouldn't do anything to you as long
 MG>> as
 PS>                       ^^^^^
 MG>> you followed the rules there.  Those rules are simple enough for
 MG>> a 12 year old to follow.  Are you saying you cannot follow 
 MG>> simple rules which prevent flaming of fellow participants?  
 MG>> If so, then you are smart not to post there.

 PS> Careful buddy. Good thing you aren'y in your echo. you's have to
 PS> moderate yourself for flaming.  :)

Is there a non-flame rule in THIS echo, Phil?  If so, when the Moderator
decides to take me to task for it, I'll cooperate with that Moderator. 
Until then, and after (although then I won't say it), you are still an
idiot.  The proof is committed to print, by yourself.

 PS>>  Mind you, I'm well aware of echos and moderating, I've 
 PS>> been around
 PS>> Fidonet a long time. The above is just my opinion and not being 
 PS>> personal, although I can't determine exactly how you may 
 PS>> take it.  :)
 PS>> Either way, hopefully we understand each other.

 MG>> I understand that you have warped judgement.  Let me know which
 PS>                                 ^^^^^^
 MG>> echoes you Moderate so I can stop by for a lesson in following
 MG>> echo rules. 

 PS> More flaming ... practise what you preach comes to mind.

I practice what I preach in echoes which require it.  This is super-bitch,
and I am bitching.  Don't like it?  You know what to do.

 MG>> Mind you, if your echoes have no rules, then it is little wonder
 MG>> you adopt a "hands off" approach.

 PS> I don't have to be a little Hitler to run an echo, many don't. You're
 PS> into a power trip, simple as that.

that's pure bullshit.  I merely act when rules in my echo are broken.


From the desk of,

  Michael

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