On 01-06-98 David Martorana wrote to John Boone... 
 
        Hello David and thanks for writing, 
 
 DM>  You seem UNwilling to care what I say and ride over my words 
 DM>  as if never said. While I try to talk to you, all I get is 
 
   If I didn't care, I wouldn't write.  Not sure what you mean 
by "ride over [your] words." 
  
 DM>  different authors thrown at me ....non of whom can enter our 
 DM>  discussion any better than we. I would repeat this all one more 
 DM>  time and expect "your" answer as I could care less what Frederick 
 DM>  Bastiat thinks of Socialists or the weather! 
   
 DM>  JB>> ..... Meaning, our views about government, etc involve 
 DM>  JB> "trade-offs." This leads us to conclude government can't 
 DM>  JB> "solve" our problems without cost elsewhere. 
    
 DM>  *** My repeat *** 
 DM>  DM>  John! there is ""cost elsewhere""  and even not so elsewhere, 
    
 DM>  JB> Not sure what you mean by "cost elsewhere." 
    
 DM>      I was quoting you above. 
 DM>       
    
 DM>  JB> I assume the actions of others have effects on others as well 
 DM>  JB> as to themselves. I would like to share with you Fredick 
 DM>  JB> Bastiat's "The Law."  There he mentions some -assumptions- 
 DM>  JB> that socialist make: 
    
 DM>      We are not discussing socialism, just our views on "cost 
 DM>  elsewhere". 
    
  Yep, I added it to give glimpses into what -others- think about 
human nature.  
 
 DM>  *** Please ..Please listen *** 
 
  I'll try. 
  
 DM>    John! there is ""cost elsewhere""  and even not so elsewhere, 
 
  I do agree there is "cost elsewhere" but not sure what you 
mean by "even not so elsewhere."  I translate the words 
"even not so elsewhere" to mean "there is not cost elsewhere." 
Somehow, I don't think this is your intent. 
  
 DM>    whether problems are approached by governments or by OTHER, 
 DM>    or NOT approached at all. There is much that is just the 
  
   This would be consistent with "cost elsewhere."  IOW, no matter 
-who-, government, or "OTHER" (not quite sure what you mean by 
"OTHER"), there will be cost elsewhere.  
 
 DM>    luck of time & circumstance as to whether some effort will 
 DM>    turn out good for most of us or bad for most of us and even 
 DM>    that depends on the "us" we're talking about at any one time. 
 
  I am not sure "luck of time and circumstance" determines what 
effort will be good for -MOST-.  I do believe luck -does- play 
a part in what effort will be good on a individual level and 
perhaps on a cultural level.  
  However, from Thomas Sowell's "Migration and Culture", Sowell  
discussed -how- well different cultures such as Chinese, 
German, Italian, Jews, Indian, etc did over hundreds of years 
and globally.  There Sowell found -MOST- of Jews regardless of 
the time and geographical location (Europe, South Africa, North 
and South America) did very well.  Hence, my reasoning to 
ponder if "luck" had anything to do with it.  If so, then 
why did Jews, Germans, Chinese do well over hundreds of years 
and in many different countries? 
  
 DM>    That is the simple of it all......  Your logic and quotes from 
 DM>    authors, does not change that! 
    
 DM>    Do you agree or disagree? ...... in clear uncontrived unquoted 
 
  I do agree with parts, unsure in some areas, and perhaps disagree 
on others. 
  
 DM>    English? 
 
Take care, 
John 
 
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