In article ,
 "Hyerdahl"  wrote:
> Mark Sobolewski wrote:
> > In article ,
> >  "Avenger"  wrote:

> > > Yeah, blame the victim. What you can't stand is that  men can go
> anywhere
> > > for females and don't have to put up with a defective product. If
> it were up
> > > to me I'd completely open the border for educated Russian females
> and put
> > > most US females out of business and straighten up the few who can
> be
> > > redeemed.
>
> Yes, I agree with that, well, that some folks will tell it like it is
> to other folks. :-)  You simply don't see many American women buying
> husbands or even being wives to Russian men.

Their loss.  While some poor laid off tractor factor worker
isn't a good pick, there are plenty of underpaid
blond haired, blue eyed, 6 foot tall engineers
and doctors who would jump at the chance for a "green card"
and make excellent arm candy for the right woman.

If Carrie Fisher and Maureen Dowd were capable of taking
some initiative, they needn't be lonely.

> So, I guess there must be
> something more attractive about being an American bride.  :-)

Or another way of looking at it would be... many foreign
women find American men attractive husbands.

> Oh, and I wouldn't count on brainwashing these women because most
> > > of them are better educated and can't stand the typical US female
> who they
> > > consider inferior.
>
> If they find American women "inferior" than it makes them look rather
> pathetic doing all the do just to BE one.  :-)

As I've said (but it's worth repeating), a good side effect
of diversity has been that new immigrants don't
feel as pressured in the past to "assumulate" and acquire
American ways.  The days of women abandoning their native
dress for blue jeans is over!

Such women (and nearly all immigrants for that matter)
could care less about "freedom" and "equality".  On
the contrary: They want a BETTER life than their
countrymen and countrywomen have available to them.
America is a land of aspiring elitists in the best
sense of the word.

> > I just thought of another point that needs to be made:
> >
> > We shouldn't run into parg's trap that she's "won" and
now American
> > women are largely all feminized man haters.  To her credit, this
> > has been achieved with the "jerry springer" set and with the
> > bourgeois ivory tower types.
>
> Who?  :-)  I leave the sleaze shows to people like you, Mark.  As to
> winning, Russian and American women all 'win' with more mail order
> brides, because the first thing they do when they come over here is
> meet their American neighbors.

Indeed.  The first thing my wife observed was "American
women sure are fat, aren't they?" :-)  Such women
really are going to convince these women to abandon their
values while patronizing them and insulting their
birth cultures.  Yeah, the men really need to worry! :-)

> They go to tupper ware parties :-); they enjoy coffee at a neighbor's
> house; they take English classes with teachers like the one Juila
> Roberts portrayed in Mona LIsa Smile.  :-)  Rah...Rah...

Ironically, ALL of my wife's English instructors have been
Republicans.

> > But there are a lot of very sweet, practical, and even attractive
> > "republican" working class women out there often in rural areas
> > but also often in the cities working at jobs that "Sex
> > and the City" types sneer at: retail or factory work.
>
> There's nothing at all wrong with working in a factory, Mark;

Oh, I agree.

>  that's
> what I did to put myself thru schooling.  Most folks have the desire to
> better their lives and their education.  You make it sound like a dirty
> word, education...or is that just when women get it?  :-)

Er, no.  I didn't say anything bad about education.
I was merely commenting that such women consider such
men beneath them.  They probably also don't want to have
too long a conversation with you while you're serving
them coke, either.

> > The problem is that such women are often invisible to men
> > such as us because they go to work and go home and we don't
> > see them.  They don't get on the internet that much.
>
> I don't think there are many women who post here on this NG;  most
> women are simply too busy.

Working class women especially work long hours and usually don't
appreciate seeing their taxes go for other women's children.
This makes them especially good mates for "sexist" men.

> > >  So, that> doesn't mean she's sexist, but it might mean she's
> practical assessing the> > benefit of HER bargain.  I mean, that way
> both of you get what you want,> and > both see the ring the way you
> each view it.
> > >
> > > Hey stupid! A gold wedding band is a few hundred dollars. Do you
> really
> > > think a man is buying a female for a band she wears on her finger?
> lol
> > >
> I don't understand his comment; perhaps Mark does.

If you can't understand this sentence, I'll attempt to simplify
it for you:

He's saying:

"Hey, you're stupid!  A wedding band is not very expensive.
He then asks whether you believe men are buying women so cheaply."

I probably should have answered his question: There are
women who truly do sell themselves for a wedding band.
Not a cheap one, but a more expensive one.  I've come
across desperate women with Hallmark fantasies who will
put up with a lot of crap just to get men to hold
open their doors, pay for their meals, and buy a decent
wedding band.

So I guess I'm stupid too! :-)

 > > > And if Mark's wife is Russian I can tell you that not many women
> there wear
> > > diamond betrothal rings. Or even expect them.
> >
> > Don't call her Russian! :-)
> >
>            Who?  Isn't she visiting family right now, Mark?

She could if she wanted to.  Actually, she's at work.
(I do let her work. :-)

> > >  But some women find that American citizenship is enough of an>>
> > > incentive, and> that's ok.
> > >
> > > You may find it hard to believe but very few females want to go to
> the US.
> > > All you're getting are the dirt poor desperate uneducated  people
> from 3rd
> > > world countries.
>
> Mark, there's hundreds of ads for Russian Brides, so I don't believe
> you. OTOH I didn't find any ads for Russian husbands for sale.

And there are literally millions of women in these countries.
But apparently the effect these women have had on US culture
has been disproportional to their number with local women
running around like a chicken with their head cut off.

I find it incredible, as I said, that Russian men aren't
more in demand with American women.  There are thousands
of attractive and well educated Russian men who would
make a lonely spinster a perfect husband.  I'm not too
proud to go halfway around the world for love.  I would
rather have that than make up partners that don't exist...

regards,
Mark Sobolewski


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