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to: Geo.
from: Robert Comer
date: 2003-05-09 20:50:56
subject: Re: Is Windows 2003 Server really faster than Linux?

From: "Robert Comer" 

> I can't agree on this point, ext2 isn't suitable since it's so easy to
wipe
> out with a simple power failure. In a fileserver you have to be able to
> count
> on the file system coming back up after a hard poweroff. Fileservers are
> where everyone stores their data, the file system is critical. ext3 is the
> only choice.

That's not quite right Geo, there are other journaling files systems that
are better than ext3.  I would probably (and do) use reiser since it's the
oldest.

>RH's RAID0 so sucky? RAID0's
> whole purpose is for speed.

Software based raid 0 is going to be sucky, any of the RAID levels should
only be done with hardware if you want decent speed.

- Bob Comer




"Geo."  wrote in message
news:3ebc45b0$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> "Joe Barr"  wrote in message
> news:pan.2003.05.09.23.40.18.961501{at}austin.rr.com...
>
> > http://www.linuxworld.com/2003/0509.barr.html
> >
> > Microsoft claims Windows 2003 Server is twice as fast as Linux, at least
> > when it's used for file serving. I spoke to Jeremy Allison, head of the
> > Samba team, who provided a few insights into the test configurations
that
> > don't leap out at the reader because they are hidden away in appendixes
to
> > the benchmark document. Allison feels this, in itself, is substantially
> > responsible for the outcome.
>
> from the article:
>
> >"If you look at the curves in the benchmarks, what is really really
obvious
> is that Samba, or the kernel, isn't running out of steam," Allison said.
> "What's running out of steam is the disk subsystem." <
>
> I agree with him on the RAID0 setup it could easily be disk, I don't know
> anyone using RAID0 for a fileserver (isn't your data important?) but:
>
> >RAID 0 wasn't the only poor choice for Linux in the tests. "They used
ext3,
> which is one of the slowest filesystems on Linux," <
>
> I can't agree on this point, ext2 isn't suitable since it's so easy to
wipe
> out with a simple power failure. In a fileserver you have to be able to
> count
> on the file system coming back up after a hard poweroff. Fileservers are
> where everyone stores their data, the file system is critical. ext3 is the
> only choice.
>
> I also don't agree with his other ramblings about unfair tweaks to the
> system as he pointed out above, the bottleneck was disk so any other
tweaks
> are pointless, even with RAID0 the bottleneck is still disk.
>
> This leaves 2 questions in my mind, first how would they have compared if
> neither machine was running RAID0 but instead were running RAID1 and then
> running RAID5 (much more common configurations for fileservers) and second
> but perhaps meaningless to this test is why is RH's RAID0 so sucky?
RAID0's
> whole purpose is for speed.
>
> Geo.
>
>
>
>

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