Hi Ross,

On Sun 2038-May-30 10:35, Ross Cassell (1:123/456) wrote to Richard Webb:

 RW> I'm passing no judgments on the veracity of claims made
 RW> recently in this echo folks, btw.  Just helping to point out that
 RW> oftentimes until one has walked a mile in the shoes one doesn't know
 RW> everything there is to know.

RC> Except that in the case of the individual in question, as you saw at
RC> least twice, we have received detailed biographies, now multiply
RC> that by his entire tenure in this network.

Agreed, and, more than I would ever dream of telling
strangers about myself.


RC> I have longed held that in a venue in which there are no face to
RC> face communications, when all that can be passed are thoughts, ideas
RC> and opinions, it is most prudent to withhold intimate details about
RC> oneself. To this end, there are no secrets pertinent to this
RC> individual that are not known, unless of course everything he has
RC> conveyed are boasts and lies.

Granted.  ONe's privacy is a tenuous commodity just living
in our modern society.  Imho one should use more discretion
than he shows in this regard.

RC> I have long tried to tell him, as have others, to attempt to make
RC> his background more of a mystery, instead of an open book, he will
RC> tell you himself, that he rejects that advice (he calls this honesty
RC> as if he needs to prove that his Dad can beat up your Dad). I am of
RC> course talking about those things that can be turned against you,
RC> then of course as you might have observed, there is the (painful)
RC> minutia.


YEp, and more the fool he if he chooses not to heed some
good advice on that front.  ONe can understand it with a 15
year old that bares his/her soul and life to others on
facebook and myspace, but adults should know better.




RC> A bad back can be purchased anywhere, falling off of a ladder when
RC> painting the trim on ones home is a sufficient method, years of
RC> manual labor when using unwise lifting methods is another, and there
RC> is that soap in the shower.. For years we have heard the heroic
RC> deeds this man has performed that could have killed his back, such
RC> as manipulating rolled sheet metal or with 4 or 5 other guys,
RC> lifting a early 70's Ford Torino off of the ground, whilst standing
RC> in what was termed sugar sand, carrying it several feet. (cough
RC> cough) 

AGreed, mine ain't the greatest because of my profession,
and after some work days I sure feel it.

RC> The point here is Richard, is that this man should not be casting
RC> judgement onto others, when he hasnt a moral or ethical leg to stand
RC> on. I have never been in jail or placed under arrest, I will be
RC> damned if I am going to be judged by someone who has, because I dont
RC> formulate my views as he does and possess the same opinions.

We do indeed have the "people in glass houses" thing going
on here a bit, granted.  But I've known people whom I would
trust with anything I owned with worse criminal records, at
least from what I"ve seen posted here from both sides re
his.  wOuld I do the same for WAyne?  Probably not.  I don't really know
WAyne.  I'd wish to get to know Wayne personally before making that
judgment about him.
I would hope you don't judge me as harshly as you do him,
because, although you know some things about him I would
venture that you don't really know me.  YOu know what you
might have been able to look up via yahoo and google, and
what I've allowed to be known about me.  But then, I'm even
quite particular about whom I will provide my social
security number.


RC> If you watch a debate, the foes will seize upon any weaknesses
RC> expressed by the other(s), had Wayne been more of a mystery, no
RC> weaknesses, its that simple. 

Agreed, this often happens, I just choose for myself, and
those to whom I give any credence to see the weakness of the ideas debated
and not the individual.  Did I care that
CLinton was a philanderer?  No.  Was I aware of this fact
when I considered the possibility of voting for him in '92?
YEs.  Did that fact cause me to not mark my ballot for him?
No, it had no bearing on that.

Regards,
           Richard
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+