On 12/08/2010 10:41 PM, Ross Sauer -> Ed Hulett wrote:
 RS> "Ed Hulett -> Ross Sauer"  wrote in
 RS> news:31620$POL_INC{at}JamNNTPd:

 JB>>>> While I may not be wild about farm subsides, the farmers
 EH>> actually JB>> produce something and are good for the country. Shall
 EH>> I contrast that JB>> with you ?

 RS>>> That's just it.
 RS>>> They get those subsidies even for *NOT* producing anything.
 RS>>> The entire farm subsidy program is outmoded, it was created when
 EH>> just RS> about all farms in the US were family farms.

 EH>> It was FDR who started the farm subsidies and he made sure it would
 EH>> profit his corporate cronies first.

 RS> Which corporate cronies?

The big Agro-businesses.

 RS> During the 1930's, large corporate farms were owned by big business, and
 RS> you just *KNOW* how pro-Roosevelt big business was at that time.
 RS> (sarcasm off)

Your ignorance of history is astounding.

 RS> But as I said, the program is outmoded.

It was a payoff to big business all along.

 RS>>> Nowadays most farms are coporate owned, and family farms are in
 EH>> the RS> minority.

 RS>>> And if a business, which is what a farm is, a business, *HAS* to
 EH>> have RS> government subsidies even when not producing or producing
 EH>> large profits, RS> that subsidy needs to be ended.

 EH>> I have no problem with ending them. Here's a clue; it's all about
 EH>> control and being able to manipulate the market.

 RS> I know.
 RS> Dairy farms here in Wisconsin get government price controls on milk and
 RS> milk products.

Exactly. It's all about political power and enriching big business at the same time.

 RS> It used to even be illegal here in Wisconsin to sell margarine!

 RS>>> Yet it's *REPUBLICANS* (like Charles Grassley of Iowa) who yell
 EH>> the RS> loudest if farm subsidies are proposed to be cut, much less
 EH>> ended.

 EH>> Then, why didn't the Democrats vote them out of existence sometime
 EH>> since 2007? They have had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate
 EH>> and a huge majority in the House. You continuously point at Repubs,
 EH>> yet you ignore the Dems who do the same.

 RS> Because they are just as much in the pocket of large corporate farmers
 RS> as the republicans are.

Bingo! So why do you always point to Repubs when the Dems are just as, if
not more corrupt? It matters little if the politician has a D or an R after
his/her name.

 RS> Example: Senator Herb Kohl-D has received millions from corporate dairy
 RS> farms.

And you make a big deal about Grassley?

 RS> Just as the North Carolina political establishment is owned by the huge
 RS> pig farms and tobacco farms.

And?

 RS> And Florida's politics are owned by big citrus growers.

And sugar growers.

 RS> Doesn't make a damn bit of difference the party, or state.

Now your eyes are opening.

 RS> That's why farm subsidies will never be ended.

Sadly, you are correct.

Ed

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