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echo: pol_inc
to: BOB ACKLEY
from: BOB KLAHN
date: 2010-11-13 14:39:50
subject: california propositions,

BB>>>> Or any public office for that matter. :)  It has to be
ego driven,
 BB>>>> IMO.   Or, as in most cases, a chance to make really big bucks
 BB>>>> after your term is up.

 BB>>>> "Serving the Public" is seldom the case.  :)

 BA>>> "In any bureaucracy, 'civil servant' is equivalent in
 BA>>> meaning to 'civil master.'" - Robert A Heinlein, about half
 BA>>> a century ago.

 BK>>  Heinlein was wrong about a lot of things. Wrote good SF, but his
 BK>> politics were a bit screwed up.

 BA> Only to you collectivists.  Heinlein was a big believer in
 BA> freedom and INDIVIDUAL liberty.  *You* are not.

 That comes under the heading of, "A mile wide but an inch deep."

 It just demonstrates you know nothing about what I believe in.

 Pro-lifers believe in a lot of restrictions on individual
 freedom. Which means you need to be a democrat.

 Anti-gays don't have much belief in individual freedom at all.

 I believe in freedom of religion, and freedom from religion,
 which puts me one freedom up on the right.

 I believe in freedom of speech, even when I don't agree with
 what is said, which puts me one freedom up on the Tea Party.

 I believe in freedom to live your own life as long at you don't
 harm others. That puts me one freedom up on most people.

 I also believe in a responsibility as part of our social
 structure, to contribute to maintaining our social structure.
 That seems so obvious it should not require defending.

 I believe the freedom to keep and bear arms requires the
 obligation to learn to do so responsibly. Which puts me on two
 sides of a freedom, depending on which side you stand on.

 If Heinlein really believed in what he appeared to, he could
 stand by and watch a child die and not believe anyone was
 obligated to do anything.

 Libertarianism doesn't seem to believe in much of anything.

 Libertarians seem to believe in whatever is convenient for them.

 No thanks, I prefer a moral philosophy based on some actual
 principles.

 And any moral philosophy that doesn't apply obligations to
 others is not a moral philosophy likely to be successful in the
 real world.

 See the tagline.


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