greg1199{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> > > "Most women were raised on the principle that catching and
keeping
> a
> > > trophy prince constituted the pinnacle of success," said Lauren.
>
> This is the feminist version of "the devil made me do it."  They
aren't
> venal because they're bad people.  They're venal because some other
> evildoer made them that way.
>
> It's never your fault, is it ladies?  Someone just raised you badly,
> right?  Wrong.  You are thinking people who should be able to manage
> yourselves.  Take some responsibility!

Actually, most white women who think this way are usually
spoiled and not products of "evildoers".  This then requires
them to seek out evildoers in order to rationalize themselves.
Why do you think Parg hangs out here so much? :-)

I'm reminded of Madonna's song "Material Girl":

"Experience has made me rich and now they're after me!!!!"
"Because everybody's living in a material world!"

> > > While the media continues to bombard women with marketing related
> to
> > > meeting and "catching" men, "Solo Bliss"
advocates an approach to
> > > life that doesn't waste a single second on "the hunt."
>
> Well at least she admits that there is such a thing as "the hunt."
> This is a bit like the mafia finally admitting there's a mafia.

The fact is that there are plenty of self-absorbed career
women who spend their entire 20's doing precisely what she
advocates without having to hear her guide them.  They
get a nice job and blow the money on world travel
and making them "experienced".  I know because I dated them.
They could go on and on about their trips to Peru
or shopping in Harrods.

But the fact is that none of this made them good wives when
they needed to settle down later.  (Remember, they
were desperate enough to date me. :-)

If the guy is world traveled, he doesn't need a woman "showing
him up".  Men don't find "experienced" women attractive.
They find them "used".  If he isn't world traveled,
what good does this do him?  He'll feel intimidated
or she'll find him ignorant.

The myth that's continually repackaged and regurgitated to
these women is that "secure" men are turned on by "worldly"
women who've spent their life being a playgirl.  This
would be similar to the beer company commercials that
had women turned on to men who drank lots of beer
and watched sports. :-)

> > Already been tried during the 80's and early 90's.  I was there.
> > Seen it all.  Women going out and engaging in shopping
> > masturbation (TM) and buying their own rings.
> >
> > "Solo bliss" also wore out it's welcome when liberated women
> > discovered that little things men took care of such as
> > the mortgage, medical plans, and paying for them to stay
> > home and look after the kids cost money when they
> > were alone.
>
> I too noticed an abrupt return to traditionalism in the late 90s.
> Suddenly it was once again OK to be a homemaker.

The Martha Stewart homemakers. :-)

I have a colleague (whose a selfish bastard, seriously) who
was approached by a career woman who desired to become
a homemaker.  He slammed the door (figurately) in her face.

In other words, many women will have to work to get those
options they took for granted before.

> > "Germany has such a better healthcare system than the US"
> > -- Women's reproductive rights marcher, DC 2004
>
> Hahahaha!!  Here's another way in which Lauren's philosophy will ding
> us, despite her claimed lack of interest in us.  Women are primarily
> responsible for the growth of the nanny state.  If they can't take
our
> money directly, they'll just get someone else to do it.

That was the intent.  What they didn't count on was that
they would have battles between the factions.  The "mommy
wars".  Married working women have different interests
than single mothers versus single women who don't
want kids altogether.  Also, all of these women now
have their interests competing with the rest of the other
special interest groups in the Democratic party that
are no longer content to just be sympathy exploits.

> > > Rather, Lauren
> > > proposes that if Prince Charming is going to make an appearance,
he
> > > would be more impressed with a dynamic, self-sustaining woman who
> > > boasts a full, active solo life than with a longing bride-to-be.
>
> Lauren can write, but she can't think.  One can have an active social
> life and still want to get married.

One would argue that the two are related.

I went to her website.  Did you?  It's hilarious.  She
complains that after snubbing all of the men through a personals
website for arbitrary reasons, the guy she wound up
with who went through all of her hurdles was lame on the
date.

A "social" person should be able to manage people effectively
(for their sake and hers).  If she has so many skills
that allows her to condescend to people, then she
shouldn't feel a need to condescend to them in the first place!

> There's no external force keeping
> marriage-seeking women in their houses.  To the contrary, they know
> that to sell something, so to speak, one has to put it in the window.

Oh, you got to that point.  Indeed, as many people pointed out
to Dowd, the working class traditional women are the ones
who busybee themselves making contacts.

> > Yeah, nothing turns on men more than aging, self-absorbed women.
> > All she's doing is just repacking the sleeping beauty myth
> > into a newer "sleeping aging career woman with her hobbies"
> > waiting for the prince to appear!
>
> And waiting.  And waiting.  Then bashing him for not appearing.  Ask
> Maureen Dowd.

Indeed.  Dowd probably was happy as a clam until maybe 5 years
ago when all the loserboys stopped begging her for time.

> > Believe it or not, foreign women often do have active solo lives
> > but not necessarily in the manner such women imagine.  Men are
>
> Interestingly, Michelle Malkin once wrote a column called "White
> Woman's Burden."  It was about American feminists who believe they
must
> indoctrinate women from other cultures into their way of thinking.

Kind of hard to do today with many foreign women being told
that they're entitled to respect for their cultures.

> > Of course, SHE could always pay for the champagne but Miss
> > Liberated doesn't want to spend her own money. :-)  Speaking
> > of drinking alone: does that sound really healthy?
>
> And is it really champagne?  More likey wine coolers, or Smirnoff Ice
> for the really hard-core ones.

That reminds me: I promised to show my wife how to make a killer
homemade wine cooler:

1 bottle german rhine wine
1 bottle ginger ale
1 bottle squirt (yes, SQUIRT!)
4 limes
1 can concentrated orange juice (pulpy!)

Toss it all into a big soup pot and mix and then
reseal into the containers above.

Tasty and cheap!

> [...]
>
> > > Jennifer Lauren's website, http://www.solobliss.com, invites
> readers
> > > to share their solo stories. Sorry, Prince Charming, you are not
> > > invited to this party.
>
> Indeed, you are sorry, but I don't recall asking if I could come.

Ironically, if this prince charming did appear, this woman
would dump all of her bittergirl friends in 10 seconds flat. :-)

regards,
Mark Sobolewski



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