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to: Jeff Snyder
from: Bob Ackley
date: 2009-04-30 04:29:16
subject: Abortion

Replying to a message of Jeff Snyder to Roy Witt:

 JS> On 04/30/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Roy Witt: Abortion.

 RW>> That's just it...there is no seperation of C&S mentioned in the 1st
 RW>> Amendment.  Although Madison's original words aluded to it:  "The
 RW>> civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious
 RW>> belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established,
 RW>> nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner,
 RW>> or on any pretence, infringed."


 JS> That is exactly right. The way that the separation clause has been
 JS> abused adn twisted by modern atheists is a tragedy. Nowhere does the
 JS> US Constitution imply or dictate that God should be completely
 JS> removed from government, or from any sphere of social life. It simply
 JS> states that the government cannot impose one specific religious
 JS> belief upon the people, and that the people shall not be
 JS> discriminated against because of their religious beliefs.

So why do right wing Christians keep trying to pass laws based on their
religious beliefs?  Note that Islamics seem to be having some success in
doing exactly that in Britain - and Christians seem to have their panties in
a wad over it.

 JS> Considering
 JS> the great body of historical evidence which clearly points to the
 JS> fact that many of the Founding Fathers were men of faith, the
 JS> Christian faith, it astounds me the way that these atheists have been
 JS> able to convince people that religion has no place in modern
 JS> politics.

If religion does have such a place, why does the religion have to be 
Christianity?  Why can't it be Santeria or the religion the Aztecs practiced
centuries ago?

That, BTW, is precisely *why* religion has no legitimate place in law
or government.

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