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echo: crossfire
to: Bob Ackley
from: Bob Klahn
date: 2009-05-04 23:45:00
subject: (1/2) Welfare

BK>>>>  So, tell me about these oppressive taxes. Just which taxes would
 BK>>>> that be? A short list would be nice.

 BA>>> Income and property taxes for starts, the rates are
 BA>>> outrageous.

 BK>>  I pay something on the order of 10% on income after all is
 BK>>  figured.  How is that so much?

 BA> That's just about 2.5 times what the government said would
 BA> be the maximum rate when the tax was invented.  It's also
 BA> much higher than the taxes that sparked the American
 BA> Revolution.

 It wasn't the amount, but the taxation without representation.

 And my income is much higher than when the tax was invented.

 BK>> Property taxes? Live somewhere cheaper.

 BA> Paying less than a grand in property taxes seems to be the
 BA> exception rather than the rule.  When I lived in

 Then where are your excessive property taxes?

 BA> Plattsmouth, over a 29 year period my property taxes went
 BA> up over 1,000 percent (from about $80/year to over
 BA> $900/year, between 1976 and 2005); this on an 825 square
 BA> foot hovel that was built in about 1880 on a lot that
 BA> measured 44 x 150 feet (less easements).  The tax on the
 BA> place is probably over a grand/year today.

 A hovel? Then move to Ohio. I pay more than that, but I have a
 larger and better house. Except the portion where my computers
 are kept, my wife does have something to say about that.

 BA> 'Live somewhere cheaper?'  Like where, a refrigerator crate
 BA> under a bridge?. I was (and remain) single and could live
 BA> in an 825 square foot one bedroom, one bathroom house.  I
 BA> seriously doubt that a family of four could do that, or FTM
 BA> even a family of two (note that not all of that 825 square
 BA> feet was useable as there was a stairwell on the back
 BA> (north) wall, and while it counts as square footage it
 BA> wasn't living space).

 The problem there is not the taxes are high, but the incomes are
 low. I don't know what the state situation there is, but here it
 doesn't seem near that bad.

 BK>> Those are local or state taxes, and typically dedicated  to
 BK>> a specific function.

 BA>>> Some states have 'personal property taxes' payable each
 BA>>> year and applicable to every single thing you own.

 BK>>  Don't blame the Feds for that. Move to another state.

 BA> I did.  But the subject was oppressive taxes, not
 BA> oppressive federal taxes.

 Actually, the Tea parties were aimed at Obama, so it was
 federal.



BOB KLAHN bob.klahn{at}sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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