On 05/06/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Bob Klahn: Abortion.

BK>  And God did *NOT* give them grief for that. I know the stories  may say
BK> that, but I do not accept that God would kill people for  disbelief, and
BK> esp not for marrying foreign women. Wasn't Ruth a  foreign woman?
BK>
BK>  And remember the parable of the good Samaritan.

BK>  Except that God does not work that way. My God doesn't, sorry  bout yours.


Bob, both Biblical and secular history plainly reveal that God gave the
Israelites a lot more than just grief when they turned their backs on Him,
and adopted the false gods of the heathen nations around them. This is
something which I have personally studied and written about in great detail.

Grief was just a small part of their punishment for disobeying the Lord.
Every time the Israelites rebelled against the Lord, He allowed them to be
harassed, attacked, invaded, overcome, defeated and imprisoned by their most
hated enemies. From the Philistines to the Romans, this was their sad story
time and again.

In the Bible, the two greatest foreign invasions and conquests were by the
Assyrians during the time of the Prophet Isaiah, and by the Babylonians
during the time of Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, et al. The Assyrian invasions
affected primarily the Northern Kingdom of Israel, which was also known as
Samaria, which today we know as the West Bank. This was during the period of
the Divided Kingdom.

Perhaps you have also heard of the "Seventy Years of Captivity", during
which time, in accordance to prophecy, the people of the Southern Kingdom of
Judah and Benjamin were made slaves in Babylonia/Babylon. Jerusalem was
destroyed, and Solomon's temple torn down, by the Babylonian invaders, under
the leadership of Nebuchadnezzar.

The same thing happened a second time during the Roman occupation in 70 AD,
after the Jews had for the most part rejected their one and only Messiah,
Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself prophesied this very event about forty years
earlier.

Again, Bob, these historical events were a lot more than just grief. Many
thousands of people either died, or were imprisoned. The only way for you to
deny these facts is to say that the Bible is not true, and that secular
history has all been invented. Yes, we know that history is written by the
victor, but the basic facts of these accounts are true.

If you do not accept that God would kill people due to disbelief, then you
are basically calling the Bible a lie, are you not? The Bible plainly states
that God kills, heals and makes alive, according to His own Will and
Purposes. Do you doubt this? Do you judge God? The Bible has some serious
things to say about people who judge and criticize God.

In the case of the Israelites who married foreign women, we are told that
following the "Seventy Years Of Captivity", after Cyrus the Persian,
(Koresh), allowed the Jews to return to Jerusalem, they repented of their
sins, and they put away, (divorced), their foreign wives, because it was
partially a result of them marrying foreign wives, which had led the
Israelites to sin in the first place, just as King Solomon had done in his
old age. In fact, that sin goes all the way back to the time of Jacob and
Esau. Again, this is all in the Bible.

Yes, Ruth was indeed a foreign woman, and in fact, a direct ancestor of
Jesus Christ. However, you are leaving out one very important fact. Not only
did she follow her step-mother Naomi back to Israel, but she ALSO adopted
the God of the Israelites as her own God. That is the big difference.

The parable of the Good Samaritan does NOT negate any of the history or
lessons of the Old Testament era. Even the Apostle Paul tells us to look to
the Old Testament, and to learn from their mistakes of complaining and
continual rebellion against the Lord.

Bob, you say that your God does not work that way. Well, my God is the God
of the Bible. Who is your God, Bob?

It sounds to me like you want to use the Bible like a cafeteria -- pick and
keep what you like, and reject what you don't like. That's not the way that
it works, Bob. We can't just force the Bible to say only what we want it to
say. We can't force it to just fit our personal belief system.

Jeff Snyder, SysOp - Armageddon BBS  Visit us at endtimeprophecy.org port 23
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