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echo: indian_affairs
to: JIM CASTO
from: SONDRA BALL
date: 1997-03-22 20:46:00
subject: Re: capital punishment

JC> SB> he was a murderer, she was, therefore, an accomplice to the murder.
  > SB> Her boyfriend was eventually captured.  He plea-bargained (and part 
f
  > SB> the plea bargaining was an agreement to testify against the woman).  
He
  > SB> got five years, and is currently out on the streets; and she got 
fe.
JC> The problem there as I see it is the "plea bargain". It's hard to say 
hat
  > would have happened to her if there had been no plea bargain for a 
ighter
  > sentence for him.
Yep!  Sometimes plea bargaining is the only way to go.  A conviction for
a lesser crime is better than no conviction at all.  But often its just
a frustrating denial of justice.
JC> SB> Scenarios like this are particularly common when you are dealing with
  > SB> Indians, Blacks, Hispanics, and other minorities.  Minorities really
  > SB> *are* more apt to be unjustly convicted, and really *do* get harsher
  > SB> terms for the same crimes than whites do.
JC> Actually, that same case is also proven for poor and uneducated whites.
That is true.  Money speaks, regardless of race, as the OJ trials
demonstrated so well.
JC> SB> But, no matter what the reason why the wrong people are in jail, or
  > SB> why some people receive harsher penalties than others for the same
  > SB> crime, it *does* happen.  Some of those people are almost certainly 
n
  > SB> death row. Some innocent people get executed.
JC> Victims also get "executed" because someone was allowed to go free on a
  > technicality. Or plea bargained for a lesser crime.
That also is true.  I'm still working on an answer to this, because I
also believe people on the streets should be safe; and I definitely
don't want to see anyone else I love murdered.
JC> SB> but Gollum had
  > SB> killed  a number of innocent people in it.  Frodo said, "It's a pity
  > SB> Bilbo didn't kill Gollum when he had the chance.
JC> It's been too many years since I read the "Trilogy". Did Gollum continue 
to
  > kill innocent people _after_ Bilbo Baggins let him off the hook? Does 
hat
  > mean that Bilbo is (or is not) responsible for the death of innocent 
people
Gollum did continue to kill innocent people.  And, as is the nature of
fiction, he saved the world at the end, but not because he intended
good.  Actually, he very much intended evil.  But, as Tolkien had had
Frodo warn him earlier, evil can twist us to totally unexpected fates.
JC> BTW, almost _everyone_ that is in prison will _claim_ they are innocent 
and
  > that they don't deserve to be there.
That's true.  I met that statement from most prisoners with a great deal
of skepticism.  But when all the other prisoners insist a specific
person is innocent, it gets more difficult to ignore.  And when a
prisoner tells you he actually committed the crime the other person went
to prison for, but he didn't get caught; well, that's difficult to
ignore too.
                              Sondra
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