Hyerdahl wrote:
> mark_sobolewski{at}yahoo.com wrote:
> > Hyerdahl wrote:
> >
> > > [That isn't surprising.  It's human nature.  I also find the idea
> of
> > > promoting marriage thru govt. commercials and classes, very
funny.
> > You> simple cannot legislate morality; it doesn't work.  ]
> >
> > HAHAHAHAHAHA!
> >
> > Indeed!  It's even more funny to hear you sneer at right wingers
> > for attempting to force their morality down other people's throats
> > while you argue that a huge permanent police and nanny state
> > is necessary to impliment your vision of equality.
>
> Providing social programs (as is done in EVERY western civilization)
is
> not about any specific brand of morality;  cramming fundy religions
> down people's throats is unconstitutional.  See the differenc?

"Germany has a much better healthcare system than the States" --
Women's Reproductive Rights marcher, DC, 2004

Why do you only talk about "western" civilization?  Don't you
appreciate diversity?  China and Indonesia, for example, also
provide "social programs" but their moral focus is far
different than what you prefer.

What "western" civilization has in common is a background
of charity and social works established by the early Christians
during Roman times who built shelters for families and
destitute women.

Atheism is a registered religion so forcing it down children's
throats in public schools is similar to what you accuse
the religious right of doing.  Then again, this is all moot
as 40% of 4th grade children in public schools fail basic reading
and arithmetic standards and many career women seek out
"sexist" Patriarchs to support them as they homeschool
their children.  Too bad, so sad, that single mother
women's children are getting a back-start.

> > I recently had a debate on this with a colleague who
> > stated the common myth that "right wingers", unlike leftists,
> > try to regulate free speech especially regarding sexuality.
>
> I suppose I'd have to agree with that.
>
> > I then pointed out that it was feminists who spearheaded
> > sexual harassment litigation.  He hemmed and hawed
> > and ran away. :-)
>
> No he didn't Mark;  you just make up self-serving statements.

How is what I'm saying untrue?

> In the
> end SH law isn't about free speech at all, but rather, the creation
of
> a hostile workplace or tit-for-tat style harassment.  :-)

This doesn't change the fact that most religious wackos don't
go into hysterics if someone has a photo of their spouse
in a bikini on their desk or talks about a Sex and the City
episode around the water cooler.

Even Muslim's might be less uptight about sexy speech than the average
feminist in the office.

> > After almost 40 years of indoctrination, most women still
> > want "sexist" men and don't desire lesbo marriage.
> > Yep, human nature sure cannot be changed...
>
> I can't imagine that any het woman would want sex with a woman or
that
> any gay woman would want sex with a man.

This is just a sign that your imagination is limited. :-)

Many gay women enjoy sex with men but don't connect with
them on an emotional level (I have a lesbian friend
who discussed this with me.)  Also, gay women often
seek out sex with heterosexual or "het" men for
procreative reasons.

> This brings to mind a poem of
> Robert Louis Stephenson, "The world is so full of a number of things;
> I'm sure we should all be as happy as kings."  You see Mark, it isn't
> an either/or proposition.  If you want a sexist man you are free to
> pursue him.  :-)

?!?!  I'm not interested in such men.  I'm just remarking that a
majority of women, especially heterosexual men, desire sexist
men far more than slacker non-sexist men.

Back to your point about "western" civilizations having
social programs.  Indeed, and most countries are now
in a public debate over the conflict between these
programs and the future existance of their nationality
as immigrants flood to take advantage of them.
California's public schools and universities are crumbling.
I'm sure that raising taxes and driving business away
will do the trick...

regards,
Mark Sobolewski



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