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from: `philip Lewis` nottellin
date: 2005-02-20 09:25:00
subject: EOC Shenagins...

http://www.angryharry.com/index2.html

Dear AH,

You may not remember me, I took part in a radio discussion with you on BBC 
Radio Shropshire some time ago, but I will always remember you saying to me 
to get back in contact when I am "Angry" So here I am as you predicted. At 
that time I was very accommodating of those who say "come on men don't have 
it that bad" as I did not want to come across as sexist (I suppose I was yet 
to break completely my social conditioning) I now know that I am not sexist 
and that my views are justified and backed up with fact, and i have seen 
first hand the hostility that you receive if you express a differing opinion 
to the PC mandated version of the world.

I work in the Voluntary Sector and on a daily basis hear about DV and female 
victims, so I started bringing up the issue of male victims in meetings, I 
have never felt so alone in a room full of people!

Anyway as time has gone on, the more angry I have become, I have started to 
do something about it, starting today with my first step. I posted a message 
on the Equal Opportunities Commissions (EOC) website, where they ask for 
comments on there new "Bias" report into part-time work and how it 
discriminates. See below, its not much but its a start.

"Can you not see that to have flexibility in your personal life you have to 
make a pay off in your working life, which will mean lower status and lower 
pay, we would all love to have our cake and eat it, but it does not work 
that way. This is not about discrimination, but about market forces. You 
will not gain the experience in part-time work that you will gain in full 
time work, you will not be able to put the hours in, that shows the employer 
that you are committed to the company in order to gain promotion, the type 
of employment that can be done on a part time basis will not have the 
responsibly and skill requirement of that, that needs full time employment. 
Why should I as a childless person be punished for other people life 
choices? Employers do not have a responsibility to ensure that you can 
manage your personal life that is your responsibility. The problem is that 
we are far to willing to pass on the responsibility for our personal 
decisions onto others and expect them to accommodate those choices. If when 
you start work you negotiate a full time contract and then ask them to 
change, there will be a re-negotiation of your contract, which will involve 
give and take, flexibility for you and reduced wages for the employer for 
the inconvenience. You look at things through the eyes of victims far too 
much and cry discrimination at every turn, as it's the easiest answer to 
find. I have looked at your research and it's based on self-testimony, we 
all think we get a bad deal at some point. But you never put your 
methodology in your press statements; you present your findings as fact! I 
believe that where there is true discrimination, things need to be done, but 
when there are just bad life choices that's all they are! I for one am sick 
of picking up the workloads of those that have decided to have children and 
then expect us all to bear the responsibility of their personal decision."

I just wanted to say hi, and that I enjoy the site, I don't always agree 
with your views but what a boring world it would be if we always agreed.

I hope you have time to reply and give me your views on the EOC.

Kind Regards

ST

Dear ST

"I will always remember you saying to me to get back in contact when I am 
"Angry" So here I am as you predicted."

LOL!

Well. I am glad to see that my most admirable performance on the radio 
brought you hotfoot to the angryharry website!

But I am afraid to say that the EOC does not give two hoots for your opinion 
concerning their distorting of the truth; not to mention their downright 
lies.

The people who run it know damn well what they are doing.

And they will continue to pursue their agenda against men even if only to 
bolster their organisation and their career prospects.

Do you really believe that if 'equality' was ever achieved (not that it will 
**ever** be achieved) that the staff at the EOC would simply give up their 
jobs and go home?

No.

They wouldn't.

They would simply continue to manufacture bogus 'inequality' issues out of 
the ether and continue to pulverise men with them.

For example, the EOC is currently trying to stir trouble over the fact that 
women choose to do part time work ...

.... According to the EOC, part-time work "scarred" not just
workers' income 
potential, but also their long-term promotion prospects, particularly women. 
[ http://business.scotsman.com/economy.cfm?id=169822005 ]

.... The EOC said even staff who had switched from part to full-time 
positions were paid less than staff who had always worked full-time.

In other words, because most part-timers are women, the EOC thinks that they 
should be able to switch to full time work and then earn the same pay as if 
they had acquired the same amount of experience as those who had been 
working full time all along.

The EOC together with the government are also currently investigating the 
employment books of all large businesses to ensure that they are promoting 
'enough women' in their various departments and they are also checking to 
see whether or not women are being allowed to congregate in the easier and, 
hence, less well-paid jobs.

Those businesses that do not appear to be doing enough are to be 
investigated to ensure that they do, in fact, start 'doing enough', which, 
basically, means that they will have to undergo the equivalent of a huge 
ongoing tax investigation.

This will terrify the executives of businesses for two reasons.

1. They will not want to incur the huge expense and disruption that such 
investigations inevitably bring about.

2. They will not want to be seen as being responsible for bringing the 
government Nazis into their businesses.

The upshot is that they will discriminate against all the men in their 
workforce in order to ensure that their businesses do not incur any 
investigations in the first place.

Fundamentally, the EOC together with the Labour government are saying to 
businesses, "Either you discriminate against men in favour of women, or we 
will cost you a fortune through harassment and aggravation, and those 
executives who are responsible for this will be known throughout the 
business world as those who brought the government on to their heads."

Blackmail and bullying.

Also this week, we have this ...

.... Hundreds of female nurses, cleaners, clerks and porters in an NHS trust 
are due to share compensation worth £300 million after a ruling that they 
were paid less than male staff employed in jobs of similar value over many 
years. [ 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;sessionid=RP14YRO2JEAGTQFIQMGSNAGAVCBQWJVC?xml=/news/2005/02/14/nhs14.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/02/14/ixhome.html
]

The union had asked for women's pay to be compared with that of NHS 
craftsmen, joiners, building labourers, maintenance assistants and craftsmen 
supervisors in the same region. All those posts were occupied by men.

What you have to understand is that the EOC and the Labour government will 
always argue that any jobs wherein the majority of workers are women are 
underpaid.

It will not matter what these jobs actually entail.

If there are more women in these jobs, then it will be deemed that they are 
being underpaid.

Period.

(For example, see ... Are Women Not Even Responsible For Their Work Choices? 
[ 
http://www.angryharry.com/esAreWomennotResponsiblefortheirworkchoices.htm ]  
)

They will forever be stirring up hatred against men and creating huge 
bureaucratic nightmares simply in order to follow their bankrupt agenda and 
to keep their empires strong.

And, worse, there will be no end to this. (e.g. see Equality Between Men and 
Women Is Not Achievable [ 
http://www.angryharry.com/esEqualityNotAchievable.htm ] )

Bodies such as the EOC and their associated departments in government need 
to be completely and utterly destroyed. They are a permanent blight - a huge 
one - on the well-being of the nation.

They cause nothing but huge damage, huge expense, huge bureaucracy and huge 
unfairness.

And they do it for their own self-serving purposes.

The world is on the verge of some amazing and thoroughly revolutionary 
breakthroughs in science, medicine and technology.

The benefits that these could bring to all of humanity are staring us in the 
face.

We should be ploughing massive resources into these fields.

Instead, however, we are pouring colossal sums of money into thousands of 
bureaucratic pen-pushers and wasting billions of hours pen-pushing and 
causing nothing but trouble to the whole of society in the process.

Why?

Because the government-funded bureaucrats have the power.

It's as simple as that.

And so, in summary, to answer your question concerning my opinion about the 
EOC, I see it as a collection of malign tumours that invade our society.

It is a psychological cancer, an economic cancer, a social cancer, a 
bureaucratic cancer.

Indeed, as is the case with nearly all feminist-supported organisations, It 
is a significant spreader of various societal diseases.

And I think that you will find that most longtime men's activists in the UK 
have the same view, more or less.

The discrimination against males starts almost right from their birth. The 
educational system is stacked against them as is the system pertaining to 
'the family'. The law discriminates against them in just about every 
important area where it operates - both criminal and civil The health 
service provides far fewer resources for males than for females. And the 
likes of the EOC are forcing all medium and large employers to discriminate 
against men.

There are now even moves to compensate women financially for taking off 
workdays when they have PMS! - i.e. when they allege to have PMS.

Education. Family. Relationships. Law. Health. Employment.

These are the most important areas of a person's entire life.

And men are being heavily discriminated against and purposefully 
disadvantaged in every single one of them.

Fundamentally, western governments are turning men into fourth-class 
citizens and forcing them to hand their earnings, their rights, their 
freedoms and their access to justice over to the gender that is supposedly 
'equal' to them.

And, in many cases, the phrase 'fourth-class citizens' is actually a massive 
understatement.

Men are often treated as if they were subhumans who are simply not worthy of 
any consideration; e.g. see AH's What a Piece of sh*t is Man [ 
http://www.angryharry.com/esWhataPieceofShtisMan.htm ]

And, quite frankly, at this current point in time, we do not have enough 
activists to change things quickly enough to avoid many of the horrors that 
are in store for us if we are not careful.

As such, rather than spend too much time in writing long polite emails to 
people who have absolutely no interest in listening to or addressing your 
views (because they need to discriminate against men in order to survive) it 
would be far better for men's activists to PUBLICISE as much as possible the 
growing men's movement together with its complaints and ideas.

What we need are more supporters and greater publicity.

Thank you kindly for your email.

Harry




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