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echo: crossfire
to: Alan Hess
from: Steve Kemp
date: 2007-12-23 01:36:10
subject: peace me want...ook ook!

AH>SK>>Zionism is RACISM, Mimi!

AH>SK> THAT, I've got to say is true!
AH>SK> Zionism is the belief that the Jews are CHOSEN above all other 
AH>SK> people.

AH>No,

YES!

Jews are God's chosen people! (I'm taking their word for it of course)
That certainly logically infers preference and superiority.
After all, if God is on one's team...I think you can assume superiority.

Now, of course, the Palestinians aren't another race from Jews. BUT the 
idea that Jews are God's chosen people extends to the entire world.
Thus, they are chosen above blacks and Asians too.

Any'who, how did you answer my hypothetical that I offered Mimi about 
"What is it called when a white racist in the Southern states offers the 
same belief about his chosen status above that of Blacks? Is that 
racism?" (I'm paraphrasing, 'cause I don't recall my exact wording)

Would that not be racism? I think it would be.

AH>Zionism is the belief that Jews should hace a homeland in Israel.

True.

But why? THAT is the point! Because of THEIR God and THEIR special 
status, that's why!

Thus their belief in kicking out the people that were already living 
there being A-O.K. 'Cause, after all, those other people's lives mean 
absolutely nothing.

And that's my point.

AH>It says nothing about Jews being "chosen." 

It's ROOTS do though.

AH>The Bible (Original Testament) says that,

The Pentateuch, or Torah, yep!

AH>and even that doesn't say Jews are above other peoples,

Hmmmm, it's rather obvious from content and context. What with all that 
"Kill all those that don't do this" and "Kill all those that
do that".
Sorry that I don't have my Bible/Torah software installed right now, but 
I COULD offer the direct commands by God to the Jews. It's take a week 
to scroll through though.

AH>just that they were demanded by God to do more.

God sure had them doing a lot of killing of non-believers. 
You're right there. ;)

It's even argued that the Commandment of "Thou shalt not kill" only 
refers to not killing other Jews!
(from Biblical O.T. content that seems correct)

AH>Unlike many other religions, Judaism 
AH>teaches that righteous non-Jews can also achieve eternal 
AH>reward, without having to convert to Judaism.

I'd say that that must be Reform. ;)

Seriously though. I have no prob with Jews. 
Shit, at least they don't recruit! 

But I'm an Atheist. So OF COURSE I'm against "Religious States".

And I find the way that Israel treats the Palestinians appalling!
And giving people a country, and kicking the people out that lived there 
in the process, because they got treated horridly to be a terrible way 
to do things. And I know for a FACT that the U.S involvement in same WAS 
Racist! The U.S. saw the Palestinians as less than human. Just as 
England saw the people of India as "niggers" in THEIR ignoble occupation 
of India.

That's my opinion.


Whisper...I WAS trying to lighten up the tone, BTW. Hee!
And I was trying to make peace with Mimi.
I hope I can make peace with you too. ;)

It's a devisive issue, to be sure, though.
Something perfect for CROSSFIRE! (Rockets and Sparklers all around!)

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