cv wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:45:46 -0800, bluesmama wrote:
>
> >
> > _TR_ wrote:
> >> bluesmama wrote:
> >> > suckmysav wrote:
> >> >> "bluesmama"  wrote:
> >> >>> suckmysav wrote:
> >> >>> > "geopelia"
 wrote:
> >> >>> > > "suckmysav"
 wrote:
> >> >>> > > > Ogeopelia wrote:
> >> >>> > > > > "suckmysav"
 wrote:
> >> >>> > > > >> "geopelia"
 wrote:
> >>
> >> >>> > > >
> >> >>> > > > Fair enough then. So, according
to you a woman
> >> >>> > > > is nothing more than a life
support system for
> >> >>> > > > a reproductive system?
> >> >>> > > >
> >> >>> > > > I'm sure glad men have many and
varied other
> >> >>> > > > uses. After all we can build bridges by day
> >> >>> > > > and sire children by night. It
sure must suck
> >> >>> > > > to be a one dimensional as women
apparently are.
> >> >>> > >
> >> >>> > > Women too can do many other things,
but where nature is
> >> >>> > > concerned reproduction is the most
important function of
> >> >>> > > any creature, male or female.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Yes, some of them can cook and clean. I
don't see them doing
> > much
> >> >>> > in the way of great works though.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> That all depends on who gets to set the criteria of what
> >> >>> constitutes a "great work".
> >> >>
> >> >> Well I suppose it does. This of course allows women to
> >> >> define "a great work"  as being
"birthing a baby" (which
> >> >> is no doubt the hidden message in your post) even though
> >> >> they are doing nothing at all other than responding to
> >> >> biological urges and "hoping and praying".
> >> >
> >> > This, of course, would allow some men to consider the invention
of
> >> > nuclear weapons - or "nucular", for those
Presidents reading - a
> > "great
> >> > work".
> >>
> >> The science behind your local boy's "nucular" toys
is indeed a
great
> >> intellectual work.  While the use of the weapons is deplorable,
the
> >> intellectual exercise that went into understanding the nature of
> > atomic
> >> interactions is a human triumph.
> >
> > I didn't say it didn't require intellectual achievement. I said the
> > invention of weapons wasn't a great work, or at least implied that
> > while it might be in some people's views, it wasn't in mine. You
> > disagree. That's the way difference of opinion works.
> >
> >> > Birthing a baby is nothing more than responding to biological
urges
> > and
> >> > hoping and praying?
> >>
> >> Pretty much, except for the hoping and praying part.  Women in a
coma
> > have
> >> given birth.  It seems to be your contention that the "great
> > achievement"
> >> of giving birth comes about only when a pregnant woman fails to
kill
> > the
> >> creature that grows within her.
> >
> > It certainly is not my contention.
> >
> > If you are talking about the actual delivery, that few minutes or
hours
> > that is the culmination of nine months effort, inconvenience,
> > discomfort and sacrifice, yes, women in coma certainly can, and do,
> > give birth.
> >
> >> > Interesting theory.
> >>
> >> And your rebuttal is ... ?
> >
> > I do, and don't, agree with your opinion. That's my rebuttal.
> >
> >> >> Intelligent people of course won't buy such claptrap, and
> >> >> would recognise great works as being things that make a
> >> >> lasting difference to the world, whether that be the art of
> >> >> Michelangelo, the cure for cancer, or a bridge crossing a
> >> >> natural obstacle, thereby allowing travel and trade for
> >> >> hundreds, thousands or even  millions of people where
> >> >> before it was impractical.
> >> >
> >> > Intelligent people being _not_ the women mentioned in your first
> >> > paragraph - men perhaps?
> >>
> >> Perhaps not, victimist fool.
> >
> > Didn't imply victimhood on my part, implied sexism on your part.
> >
> >> > A bridge a great work?
> >>
> >> Been over one recently?
> >
> > The Royal Gorge bridge over the Arkansas River. Amazing.
> >
> > http://www.royalgorgebridge.com/
> >
> >> > Considering the age of the Earth, the fact that the lifespan of
a
> >> > person is a blink of an eye to the vastness of the
> > Universe....what's
> >> > a bridge, again?
> >>
> >> Something that has a much longer lifespan than a creature you
merely
> > stood
> >> by and gestated.
> >
> > There we differ, and always will. A human life, and the lives it
> > touches, the potential of that life and the way that potential is
> > expressed will always be more important to me than a bridge, no
matter
> > how lovely, strong, amazing or useful.
>
> And yet feminism allows you to terminate it if it is inconvenient.
This
> brings down the whole process of gestation and birth to a mundane
level.
> Your average bridge requires dozens, if not hundreds, of man-years to
> build which is certainly tougher than nine months of inconvenience.
>
> Also, are you suggesting that a fetus is human life? This again
> contradicts the feminist position.
>
> -CV
>
> > So unless you just want to
> > continue purely for your own satisfaction with the discussion, you
may
> > feel free to stop convincing me to accept your opinions anytime.

No, abortion doesn't bring the whole process of gestation and birth
down to to a mundane level, and yes, I do believe a fetus is a human
life, but until it is capable of functioning solely on its own, it
remains its mother's choice as to whether to continue the pregnancy or
not.



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