Casey wrote:
> bluesmama wrote:
>
> > Andre Lieven wrote:
> >>
> >>Your non response to this point, indicates that you ARE aware that
> >>women get NON biological and NON medical rights to void parenthood,
> >>post-coitally, and men.. don't.
> >
> > Which seems appropriate to me, seeing as how we're discussing a
woman
> > carrying a child and man who has contributed his sperm to the
child's
> > conception. I say the woman is the more "committed" of the two
> > potential parents, and _should_ have post-coital rights that men
don't.
> > You disagree. You see my view as misandrous sexism. I disagree.
>
> 	I agree that the woman should have these choices and 100% control
over
> the situation...it *is* her body, however, if she has all of the
choices
> and 100% of the authority she should also have 100% of the
> responsibility for the consequences of what are inherently and solely

> HER decisions and actions...


> >>Why not ? Since a MAN gets NO post coital choice to decline legal
> >>parenthood, while women get MANY such, it IS rape... of men.
> >
> > No. A penetration of a man's anus by another man's penis (or some
> > similar instrument, used by a man or woman) is rape of a man. A
woman
> > "forcing" a man to have penetrative sex with her (and it's always
> > confused me how men, short of being forced to take Viagra,
>
> 	Busting myth #1, viagra DOES NOT give you an erection ! If you take
> viagra (oc Cialis or levitra) you don't walk around with a tent in
your
> pants all day. Viagra dilates blood vessels in the penis which helps
to
> retain blood in the penis, thereby making it easier to maintain an
> erection long enough to react orgasm but without sexual stimulation
> there won't be an erection in the first place...
>
> could be
> > forced to an erection, but what I don't know about men's
reproductive
> > systems is most likely a lot, so feel free to enlighten me on this
> > point) would also be rape. You seem somewhat confused on this
point.
>
> 	You are correct, you *don't* know much about men's reproductive
> appratus...both men and women can be forcibly stimulated to erection
> (men), auto-lubrication (women) and orgasm (both) against their
> wills...for example, consider the simple fact that almost 80% of
raped
> women auto-lubricate (an action associated with sexual excitation)
and
> about 30% experience an orgasm during the rape...is an erection and
> subsequent orgasm in a man any different ?
>
> > You see my views as sexist, I still don't. I see your views as
sexist,
> > you still don't. We appear to be at an impasse.
>
> 	Sexism exists when one particular gender is afforded privileges,
> prerogatives or powers not afforded to the other. In this situation
> pregnant women are legally permitted several post-coital options to
> determine whether they will become parents while men are legally
> prohibited from making the same determination...that's classic
sexism...
> 	To make matters even worse, those same men who are subjected to
legal
> sexism by being denied reproductive rights will also now be held
legally
> responsible for children they do not want...something no woman can be

> forced to accept...
>
> ...Ken

Thank you for giving me some things to think about.



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