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*PLEASE* will both of you stop?  
I was sick of these discussions back a year ago, and I am
sick of them now.  This serves no useful purpose whatever.
Steve Palincsar
At 12:20 AM 4/7/98 -0500, Larry Durham wrote:
>Dean
>
>There were more than enough laws to combat
>illegal use of guns by WWII, there is certainly no need
>for ANY more!  We got a habitual cheat and liar in office
>that can, and has put the entire country in harms way many
>times in the last 5 years ... he has a button that can  launch
>enough missiles to blow the world up, and we can't have
>small arms?  There is NO LEGITIMATE need to control
>sales or ownership of small arms further, and in fact, controls
>should be lessened back to pre-68 levels.
>
>I have nothing further to say to you, as its obvious you havent
>changed from last year, and I just wish you werent making a living
>selling-gun related materials.  When I found out today Tim modified your
>QB bolt for more power using MY porting concepts I was really PO'd!
>And I bet it was a "freebie" too!
>
>ld
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>Fletcheror wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 98-04-06 15:08:19 EDT, you write:
>>
>> << I take it you never did join the NRA.  I guess theres little point in
>> argueing
>>  with a guy that thinks its reasonable to stop "gun trafficking" at
gunshows
>>  and that believes some types of currently legal guns should be banned 
rom
>> sale is
>>  there?
>>
>>  What bugs me is you make some of your living selling gun-related items!  

>>  personally
>>  would never buy from you.
>>
>>  ld >>
>> .
>> Come on ld quit your spewing for a minute and try to actually READ the HCI
>> press release (not the bogus "secret" letter) and say what it is you
disagree
>> with.
>>
>> Isn't combating the illegal use and sale of guns in the interest of every
law
>> abiding citizen?
>>
>> directly from HCI web site:
>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>
>>                              COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGIES HELP
>>                         LAW ENFORCEMENT REDUCE GUN VIOLENCE
>>
>> (April 2, 1998, Washington, DC.) A survey and analysis conducted by the
Center
>> to Prevent Handgun Violence
>> (CPHV) of 48 large urban police departments demonstrate that new 
trategies
>> developed to combat illegal gun
>> trafficking and reduce gun violence are having a positive effect. ON THE
FRONT
>> LINE: MAKING GUN
>> INTERDICTION WORK shows that a strategic approach to gun crime, in which
every
>> seized gun and every gun
>> crime is treated as a piece of an interlocking puzzle, provides law
>> enforcement with much better odds to combat
>> the trade and use of illegal firearms.
>>
>> "Every large city in America suffers from an ongoing plague of gun crime,"
>> said Sarah Brady, chair of CPHV. "But
>> Boston, New York and other cities have demonstrated that we do not have to
>> accept gun violence as a fact of
>> life. This report will help law enforcement around the country in 
electing
>> the strategies that work best for them."
>>
>> This report is the culmination of two years of research that included a
>> nationwide survey of urban police
>> departments, wherein the respondents described their efforts to reduce 
un-
>> related crime in their jurisdictions.
>> Eight site visits were made to police departments with comprehensive
>> strategies. (Baltimore City, MD, Baltimore
>> County, MD Boston, MA, Buffalo, NY, Kansas City, MO, Los Angeles, CA, New
York
>> City, NY, San Antonio,
>> TX.) The specific elements of these programs are presented as case 
tudies.
>>
>> "The [eight] case studies of other cities," said New York City Police
>> Commissioner Howard Safir, "were
>> particularly interesting in that they gave me the opportunity to see how
other
>> law enforcement agencies are
>> dealing with the proliferation of firearms."
>>
>> Although each city developed its own successful strategy for reducing gun
>> violence, certain common elements
>> are stressed by the report, including:
>>
>>     Cooperation with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
(ATF)
>> in exploring joint initiatives and
>>     effective methods of using the ATF's gun tracing data.
>>
>>     Standardizing gun crime investigative procedures so that each
>> investigation covers persistent areas of
>>     concern -- and entering the information in a local gun database so 
hat
>> the intelligence may be shared with
>>     other units within the agency. These methods ensure that every time a
gun
>> is seized, the circumstances of
>>     that gun's entry into the community are aggressively pursued.
>>
>>     An emphasis on regulatory enforcement of firearms dealers; although
most
>> federally licensed gun dealer
>>     transactions take place within the constraints of the law, one corrupt
>> dealer can put hundreds of guns into
>>     criminal trafficking networks.
>>
>>     Special gun trafficking training for law enforcement officers,
including:
>> refresher courses in the laws
>>     governing search and seizure; specific elements of gun crimes; gun
>> trafficking indicators; techniques for
>>     officer safety; and firearms recognition.
>>
>>     Establishment of priorities with local prosecutors and legislators. In
>> some localities, local prosecutors
>>     increased emphasis on gun trafficking; in others, legislators looked 
o
>> close loopholes in gun laws that may
>>     lead to crime.
>>
>> Additionally, most of the participating law enforcement agencies agreed on
>> four necessary steps for gun violence
>> deterrence:
>>
>>     Taking guns away from criminals and youth by intensive and focused
>> patrolling, effective warrant service,
>>     and in-depth interviews of everyone involved with gun-related crimes,
>> including witnesses.
>>
>>     Deterring the use of guns through aggressive investigation of
shootings,
>> computerized offense tracking, and
>>     patrols by off-duty officers where there is a high risk of gun
violence.
>>
>>     Removing repeat offenders from the community, including the use of
>> interagency and multi-jurisdictional task
>>     forces to track and arrest career criminals.
>>
>>     Offering alternatives for at-risk youth -- through school, community
>> center and religious programs.
>>
>> For copies of ON THE FRONT LINE: MAKING GUN INTERDICTION WORK, contact
the Law
>> Enforcement
>> Relations department at the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence at (202)
>> 289-7319.
>>
>> --
>>  (Fletcheror)
>>          AirPower Information Services BBS * 610-259-2193
>>       http://www.airpower.com  Telnet://airpower.dyn.ml.org
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> (Larry Durham)
>         AirPower Information Services BBS * 610-259-2193
>      http://www.airpower.com  Telnet://airpower.dyn.ml.org
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