"John Smith"  wrote in message
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> > "Karl Hauser"  wrote in message
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> >> Hitler was gay - and killed to hide it, book says
> >
> > That's not really a new theory -- it's been around for years. I kind of
> > file
> > it along with the equally ubiquitous "Hitler had Jewish blood"
theories...
> > I
> > wouldn't be surprised if there was some validity to both.
> >
> >
> Old hat? Well, none of the great historians made any claim that Hitler was
> homosexual. Not Alan Bullock, not William L. Shirer, not Hugh
Trevor-Roper,
> not A.J.P. Taylor...well Taylor did. Come to think of it, Shirer alluded
to
> it as well. And dammit, if Bullock didn't question Hitler's sexuality.
That
> leaves Trevor-Roper, who never alluded to it...although I do remember him
on
> TV talking about Hitler's sexual experimentation and homosexual ambiguity.
> Aside from these random comments from as far back as the forties, not a
word
> was spoken. Uhuh! Really...
>
> John

Actually, Prussian war colleges and the officership of the Prussian army had
a well establish, and historically documented butch homosexual sub-culture
as did many elite and bourgois social orders and clubs of the nineteenth
century. They were very intolerant of the fem or non agressive homosexual
elements with whom they felt no kinship. Ernst Rhoem who was not an
aristocrat but was an admirer of the Purssian military used his role as the
head of the SA to sodomically rape literally thousands of young men. This
was an old male ranking system which prexisted German, and was the standard
for the roman army and social order as well. Not a nice place for a male
with no rank or power to live in but all part of primate ranking and not
very different from what is seen in higher primate groupings. War and rape
of both female and male was power and control.
    In all likelihood Lord Mountbatten, Viceroy of th Raj of India was a
bisexual, his preference in women running to chi-chi (half breed) patan or
hundu girls in India while Lady Mountabattan entertained herself with an
affair with Pandit Nehru. Indeed many Earupean military and political cults
existed in a murky atmostphere of homosexuality. In America they tended more
to be an aristocratic and upper bourgois phenomenon "la ami de la maison"
(F: The friend of the house)  and was an established part of American
boarding school like and upper class social life. Allvery private of course,
(perhaps what would now be called closeted)  but it was large understood and
accepted by memeber of the upper class social ethos of the time. Remember
that it was uncommon to talk about sex in any context at all, and it was a
time when women sought regular treatments from physicians for hysteria which
basically amounted to the doctor masturbating the woman to orgasm and Queen
Vistoria refused to accept that there was anuything wrong with tribadism or
female on female cunnilingus but regarded male on male sodomy or fellation
as disgusting and should be punishable.
    As for Adolf Shicklegrubber ne. Hitler whether he as a lower civil
servant class offspring was subject to sexual assault by older boys is
questionable. Childhood rough play among boys in isolated academy situations
often encouraged the ranking, hazing and brutalizing of younger and or
weaker and therefore "unforgivably" feminine males. Female was regarded as
weak inferior and not to be taken iinto consideration for rights equal to
males in most all Europen countries when Hitler was a youth and a corporal
as a field messenger in WWI.
    There is doubt that Hitler would have seen homosexual interaction in the
same way that modern society does in any case. Homosexual only emerged as an
identity grouping and not just a behavior variant in European social salons
in the 1880's-1890's. Hilter wasn't high enough in social class for him to
have been taught or even understood the concept of homosexuality an an
identity and not just a sexual behavior variant.
    Also, having read every book on hitler in English German and French I've
never come across any irrefrutable evidence that Hiller had a sex life at
all. The Hilter is pervert was a Brittish Intelligence-OSS concoction by a
government payroll Alienist-Psychiatrist who sourced no confirmable witness
testimony, and speculated with a propaganda agenda in mind that he was a
coprophilaic (feces lover) and that his fetish was having young females
defecate urinate on a glass table while he lay under the table masturbating.
An amusing story unfortunately even Hitler's most arch enemies in Germany
and non of those who would have liked to save themselves by defaming Hitler
could confirm this story.
    So most of this is silly speculation based on the writings of yet
another author looking for a hook to sell her book and or idea, either for
money or political agenda.
    Unfortunately for humanity Hitler was probably boringly normal in his
behavior which is what most socio and psychopaths appear which is what
allows them to rise to their positions of manipulation and if they go a
political or philosophical route, to power. The Hitler as monster has always
been a desperate attempt by the humanistic socialist thinkers to explain
that aberration from the human norm of some is what explains Hitler. But a
simple contemporary comparison between say Hitler and Scott Peterson (by no
means an obvious madman either) confirms that the perfect illusion of
normalcy can conceal a twisted psyche, which not insane or aberrant (though
in Scotts case he may have shown some bisexual characteristics though that
now seems to have largely been exaggerated by gay bar denizens in the areas
of Scotts business travels) he was able to manipulate Laci's family, their
friends, his friends and parents and the communities of his college town,
Modesto and San Diego into thinking he was a perfectly charming normal young
man instead of the cold blooded killer which he is.
    No, I think the Hitler as gay is a cop out by yet another pseudo
intellectual trying to explain the grotesquerie of human behavior in
comparison to the idealistic view if humanity as the tragically unfortunate
child victim of Auschwitz, Anne Frank wrote: "I still believe that people
are basically good at heart."
    A lovely sentiment from a tender young girl, and one to aspire to in the
name of all victims, children the lonely neglected elderly, the helpless
infirmed and all those who can't protect themselves, but one which is sadly
true only in the prose and wishes of isolated lonely children and hopeful
victims of persecution, but which is not born out by the disgustingly
hideous realities of organic human nature.
    The thesis of the question of whether Hitler was a homosexual seems more
a cheap scapegoating of yet another underclass of humanity and not genuine
intellectual conjecture.
    On a humorous side note:: it sounds to me like the author in question
may have an ax to grind against homosexuals. Maybe she was one of those
sexually insecure women who being unable to deal with the generic coarse
nature of heterosexual men, retreated into relationships with men of suspect
sexuality and perhaps found her self dumped by her truest love for another
man.
    It's as good a theory as the authors silly sexually discriminatory
speculation.
    My favorite historical speculation of homosexuality was based on a real
statement made in the 1940 presidential campaign which was gotten hold of by
the Wendell Wilkie camp but which was not used because Roosevelt's people
had counter-balancing information about Wilkie having a mistress. The line
from soon to be front runner for the Democratic nomination in 1948 was, when
Wallace made a reference to Franklin as "the flaming one." As in
"flaming
fag."
    On of the great conspiracies which created the cold war was the
collusion of those demons from the hell of the Democrat Party Arthur
Sleisinger and John Kenneth Galbrath both bourgeois intellectual queens in
Galbraths case probably a "belly rubbing" boys academy type, who were
furious that Wallace had the gall to come from Midwestern populism and
rightly or wrong categorize Stalinist Russia as agrarian reformer.
    My recent studies have called into question the monster nature of party
leader Stalin as well as Hitler.
    In the west we always blame Parnell Thomas and HUAC and later Joe
McCarthy and his Senate investigations for much of the cold war, but
comparing recently released soviet KGB historical records and counter
historians in the United States it's pretty evident that the fear of
Russia's capacity to take over western Europe was greatly exaggerated and
that Sleisinger(sp) and Gilbert et all were terrified that Wallace would
stand aside and let duly elected communist governments take over Greece,
France, Italy,leaving only the US Great Brittan, Turkey and the British
controlled portions of Germany and the militarily useless broken countries
of Spain and Portugal and Norway as continental Allies. Whether they were
looking to covertly protect their financial holdings in Swiss Banks and
Swedish industries which had both gotten wealthy of the horror, blood and
devastation of WWII or Arrange a deal to trade off China and South East and
Eastern Asia for control of Western Europe and the oil rich Middle East,
Dutch East Indies and the Sub-Continent of India is a question which still
remains to be dug out by unaffiliated historians, i.e. those
non-governmentally controlled as are  all important public and private
academies of learning from Harvard and Stanford to Oxford and the Sorbonne,
right down to U. of Texas Austin and U of California Berkley but most
particularly Yale and Georgetown Universities who all tow the official
historical line as fed them by the US office of information.
    New one on you, eh? Well if in doubt ask someone who was put in three
years limbo of silence for mentioning it on the Larry King Show, Connie
Chung.
    And you thought the Kennedy Assassination was complicated. Just till I
get around to elucidating on the topic of the Regional police forces and the
genetic experiments going on in certain facilities in the mid-west.
    Am I paranoid?
    Well, I'm and aging, ironically bitter 4 times divorced, financially
ruined heavy alcohol drinker who sleeps with a Glock 27--the  wonderfully
concealable .40 caliber version of the Glock Mini  for which I recently
traded my 9mm Ruger P90 plus a little cash--under my pillow, so I leave it
to you to make that call.
    Ambrose





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